Texas A&M adds championships....

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I noticed that a few weeks ago on Wikipedia. I thought schools were past the days of arbitrarily claiming obscure championships to boost their numbers but, then again, they just joined the SEC.
 
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I don't know why Tennessee doesn't claim 1939 too. It's not like it was the last season that a team held their opponents scoreless in the regular season or anything.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Just trying to keep pace with Alabama...
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No offense, but we don't claim any conference championships for years when we lost the conference title game ('97) or didn't even play in it ('10).

As bad as our 1941 NC claim is, at least that's a subjective deal where a school can claim any title that any selector awarded. But a conference championship is a totally objective qualification: you either won it or you didn't.
 
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They just trying to get some credability... Like i said before, they were a joke in the big 12, and even more of one in the SEC...
 
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bamawriter said:
No offense, but we don't claim any conference championships for years when we lost the conference title game ('97) or didn't even play in it ('10).

As bad as our 1941 NC claim is, at least that's a subjective deal where a school can claim any title that any selector awarded. But a conference championship is a totally objective qualification: you either won it or you didn't.
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Conference championships mean nothing when you have 542 National Championships.
 
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jguy2 said:
I don't know why Tennessee doesn't claim 1939 too. It's not like it was the last season that a team held their opponents scoreless in the regular season or anything.
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...Because at least one poll actually needs to award it to the team first before a school claims it



Of course if you're going to give anyone grief over not getting a title that year, it'd be a&m
 
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volmanbill said:
Texas A&M Picked Up Two National Championships, Two Conference Titles Over The Summer

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bamawriter said:
Some Tennessee fans are blissfully unaware how terrible some of their title claims are.



Like this guy ^.
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1925: Dartmouth and Alabama share this title, but it was awarded by Houlgate and Helms, both of which started awarding championships after 1925. The first Alabama “national championship,” is, you got it, of the retroactive variety. The only fact that makes this claim passable is that Alabama went 10-0 and Dartmouth 8-0.
1926: Alabama shares this one with three other teams with equal or better records, including Stanford (10-0-1) which it tied in the Rose Bowl. Once again it was the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awarded the title retroactively.
1930: Notre Dame was named the champion in six polls, while a seventh—the Davis Poll—gave it to both Notre Dame and Alabama. The source of the Davis Poll? ONE man, not a committee, a man that worked his formula three years later in 1933. Another retroactive championship, and a split title given by a single person to boot. Alabama did go 10-0, which gives this one some credibility, but there have been several teams to go undefeated and not win a championship. Auburn 2004 ring a bell?
1934: Another retroactive championship. A theme is beginning to take shape here. Alabama says they share this with two other teams. Dunkel, Williamson, and The Football Thesaurus were the title bestowers this time around. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system, Williamson a geologist who came up with his own system, and The Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946. Once again, the only thing that gives credence to this claim is that the Tide were undefeated.
1941: The AP ranked Alabama, who finished third in the SEC, 20th in the nation that year. There were three teams that “shared” the national title (Alabama at 9-2, Minnesota at 8-0 and Texas at 8-1-1). Of the 14 selectors that chose a national champion, 11 went to Minnesota, two to Texas, and one to ‘Bama. Once again it was The Football Thesaurus that retroactively awarded the championship. Hilarious. For what it’s worth, the College Football Data Warehouse recognizes only Minnesota as 1941’s champion.
1961: One poll did not award the title to Alabama, but Bear Bryant’s team deserved this one. They were the best team in college football after going 11-0 and beating Arkansas 10-3 in the Sugar Bowl. Congratulations, Bama nation. You have your first national championship that no one can argue.
1964: This one is legitimate only because the AP poll awarded its national championship to Bama before the bowl games. The Crimson Tide lost 21-17 to Texas in the Orange Bowl that year, the same team an 11-0 Arkansas team defeated in the regular season. Arkansas, however, was not the national champion. Bama was.
1965: AP champion Alabama went 9-1-1 including a 39-28 victory over Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. The UPI champion, Michigan State, with whom Alabama shares the official title, lost to UCLA 14-12 in the Rose Bowl to finish the season at 10-1.
1973: The embarrassment that followed this season forced the UPI to do like the AP did a few years earlier and stop awarding its national championship before the bowl games. Notre Dame, the AP champion (awarded after the bowl game) beat Alabama 24-23 in the Sugar Bowl. After the game, the AP ranked Alabama fourth behind Ohio State and Oklahoma, both with 10-0-1 records. Undefeated Penn State (12-0) and Michigan (10-0-1) finished behind Alabama in the AP poll. Despite all of these undefeated teams, Alabama was awarded the UPI title before the bowl game loss and still claims it.
1978: Alabama won the AP title after its Sugar Bowl victory over top-ranked Penn State. The UPI title went to USC after it beat a top-five Michigan team in the Rose Bowl. Alabama ended up 11-1 on the season and USC 12-1. The kicker? Alabama’s lone loss was a 24-14 decision at home to, you guessed it, the Trojans. Once again, the title is legitimate because the AP voted them No. 1, but at this point it begins to get puzzling as to why and how Alabama was winning some of these titles.
1979: Alabama claimed its first unanimous title with a 24-9 drubbing of Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl. Their 12-0 record was the best in college football.
1992: It was Alabama’s first championship since the retirement of Bear Bryant. With a 13-0 record and a 34-13 crushing of Heisman winner Gino Torretta and Miami, the Crimson Tide received all 62 first-place votes in the final AP poll.
2009: Alabama went 14-0, including blowouts of Florida in the SEC championship game and Texas in the BCS title game.
2011: No one needs reminding of this one. The bottom line is that top-ranked LSU was not rewarded for its regular season win at Alabama, the extra game it had to play against a top-12 team in Georgia in the SEC championship game, and its eight victories over top-25 opponents (including three in the top-3). LSU finished the season 13-1 and the SEC champions with a victory over Alabama. Alabama finished the season 12-1 and second in the SEC West with a victory over LSU. And if this isn’t enough, Alabama simply didn’t deserve another shot at LSU. Oklahoma State did.

Find me ANYTHING we done that's worse than the examples in Bold BAMMER!
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Find me ANYTHING we done that's worse than the examples in Bold BAMMER!
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1940: Tennessee went 10-1 and lost to Boston College in the Sugar Bowl. Stanford and Minnesota both went unbeaten, with the bulk of selectors (including the AP) naming Minnesota the National Champions. Only a couple of mathematical systems selected Tennessee.

1950: Tennessee went 10-1, but every consensus selector picked 10-1 Oklahoma. Tennessee was only chosen by a couple of mathematical selectors.

1967: Every consensus selector chose 10-1 USC, while only the Litkenhous mathematical system selected 9-2 Tennessee.

*I don't, personally, have any issue with Tennessee's claim to 1951, as they were picked by all the consensus selectors. But since you jumped on Bama's 1973 claim because the UPI awarded it before the bowl loss to Notre Dame, it's only fair for me to apply the same standard you did:

1951: Tennessee went 10-0 in the regular season and was named NC by AP and UPI. They played 9-0 Maryland in the Sugar Bowl and were soundly defeated 28-13.
 
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1940: UT went 10-0 in games that were considered for the NC

just like 1951, bowls didn't matter
 
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