Texas Christian Fundamentalists attempt to rewrite YOUR kids' history books

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#26
Because evolution, is, you know? Science?

If it was a religiously affiliated private school doing this, I'd have absolutely no problem with it. But it's a public school system.

For 23 years, Steven Prince has enjoyed being in a classroom in Knox County.

"You really can't beat this job. Every period is different because every high school kid is different and every day is different."

He's taught out of US History to Psychology textbooks.
But since 1992, he's taught from a different book.

"It's to focus on the bible as history and the supreme court has ruled that it's a historical document that can be studied."
And over 1,000 students have studied the bible as an elective in his class


Link: For 23 years, Steven Prince has enjoyed being in a classroom in Knox County.
 
#27
#27
Ignore the religious background of the 10 Commandments for a second and you have a pretty darn solid list of rules to live by. Not exactly the most complex set of rules to start your new country on huh? Don't lie, don't steal, don't murder, etc. To teach only evolution is not as incendiary for the masses to handle. Why not teach both and let people make up their own minds? Oh wait, that would mean we stupid humans were allowed to think for ourselves. My bad.


There is a difference between recognizing the wisdom of those rules and claiming that the Bible is literally correct, in every respect.

There is a difference between learning about the role of Christianity in the country's history and claiming that the country is required to be Christian, in every respect.

Finally, there is a difference between people who would profess Christianity in the schools as something to be considered among the other religions that have played a part in our history versus those who would either have you believe that Christianity is the only religion that ever played a role, or at least that it was the only religion that ever did anything worthwhile.

These folks fall squarely in the latter category of all three sentences above.


don't be silly. The only time the local boys are right is when they agree with the collective.


Not at all. They are free to disagree with the collective. In my view, they are even free to promote educating people about the debate. I think such discussion is good.

Its the lock out all alternative points of view as the work of Satan theory that makes me wince.




For 23 years, Steven Prince has enjoyed being in a classroom in Knox County.

"You really can't beat this job. Every period is different because every high school kid is different and every day is different."

He's taught out of US History to Psychology textbooks.
But since 1992, he's taught from a different book.

"It's to focus on the bible as history and the supreme court has ruled that it's a historical document that can be studied."
And over 1,000 students have studied the bible as an elective in his class


Link: For 23 years, Steven Prince has enjoyed being in a classroom in Knox County.


The Bible's place in history? I think that's a great thing to teach in the schools.

The Bible AS history? Well, I happen to believe that myself. But I recognize that the schools are not an apt place to have that perspective.

As a Christian, I am under an obligation to share the news, right? I should take pride and great joy in that. But when it comes to other people's kids I feel like I have to respect their right to direct them the way they see fit.

I'm okay with a Mormon teaching my kid the role of Joseph Smith and Mormon theology in the trek across the continent to Utah and its historical significance. I am not okay with him teaching my kid that it is a fact that God put some stuff on plates for the him to read.

The Mormon parent should be okay with me teaching the role of the Bible in everything from the development of the printing press to how Europe evolved in the Crusades and Protestantism. But I doubt he is cool with the fact that it can be read to rule out what he sees as his kid's path to Heaven.
 
#28
#28
I have no doubt but that different boards will have political leanings that influence what they think should be in curricula, etc. But to so brazenly push an outright secular point of view is alarming.

you should look at the california school system if you want people proud of pushing a liberal agenda. as of rewriting history, that history will still be more accurate that the history that libs are pushing trying to push in kids.

if our public school system taught hour history with any accuracy, our kids would not believe the government is their savior. Our founding father hated the idea of big government and yes they were Christians and America was found upon Christian principles.
 
#29
#29
Our founding father hated the idea of big government and yes they were Christians and America was found upon Christian principles.

some hated that idea, some were Christians but they all agreed that the US was not supporting a religion of any type in it's laws
 
#30
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Ignore the religious background of the 10 Commandments for a second and you have a pretty darn solid list of rules to live by. Not exactly the most complex set of rules to start your new country on huh? Don't lie, don't steal, don't murder, etc. To teach only evolution is not as incendiary for the masses to handle. Why not teach both and let people make up their own minds? Oh wait, that would mean we stupid humans were allowed to think for ourselves. My bad.

Do me a favor, look up the first three commandments and explain how they are relevant to societal norms...or even constitutional for that matter.
 
#31
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you should look at the california school system if you want people proud of pushing a liberal agenda. as of rewriting history, that history will still be more accurate that the history that libs are pushing trying to push in kids.

if our public school system taught hour history with any accuracy, our kids would not believe the government is their savior. Our founding father hated the idea of big government and yes they were Christians and America was found upon Christian principles.


Even if one assumes that they were all Christians, and even if one assumes that some Christian values were included as part of their approach to forming the country, that does NOT compel the conclusion that the Bible should be taught as a really old Almanac.
 
#32
#32
Do me a favor, look up the first three commandments and explain how they are relevant to societal norms...or even constitutional for that matter.

Sure thing. How about we put it in simplified non religious wording?
Believe there is a greater power than your own (I am the Lord your God )
Stay loyal to that power (You shall have no other gods before me)
Don't put too much stock in things made by man (You shall not make for yourself an idol)
Don't use bad language (You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God)
Take a day each week to rest and give thanks for what you have (Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy)
Don't be an embarrassment to your parents (Honor your father and mother)
Don't kill people except to defend yourself or family (You shall not murder)
Don't give in to pleasures of the flesh except with your spouse (You shall not commit adultery)
Don't take stuff that isn't yours without permission (You shall not steal)
Don't lie (You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor)
Don't be wishing you had someone else's spouse rather than your own (You shall not covet your neighbor's wife)
Don't be jealous of what someone else has (You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor)

As for societal norms, it seems pretty simple to me. We as humans are NOT the greatest power on Earth. And we should respect that fact and not make ourselves out to be more powerful than we are. Because man has shown an undeniable willingness to screw things up. These three have zip to do with the constitution.
 
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Sure thing. How about we put it in simplified non religious wording?
Believe there is a greater power than your own (I am the Lord your God )
Stay loyal to that power (You shall have no other gods before me)
Don't put too much stock in things made by man (You shall not make for yourself an idol)
Don't use bad language (You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God)
Take a day each week to rest and give thanks for what you have (Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy)
Don't be an embarrassment to your parents (Honor your father and mother)
Don't kill people except to defend yourself or family (You shall not murder)
Don't give in to pleasures of the flesh except with your spouse (You shall not commit adultery)
Don't take stuff that isn't yours without permission (You shall not steal)
Don't lie (You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor)
Don't be wishing you had someone else's spouse rather than your own (You shall not covet your neighbor's wife)
Don't be jealous of what someone else has (You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor)

As for societal norms, it seems pretty simple to me. We as humans are NOT the greatest power on Earth. And we should respect that fact and not make ourselves out to be more powerful than we are. Because man has shown an undeniable willingness to screw things up. These three have zip to do with the constitution.

As soon as the government starts telling me what to believe as far as a higher power and what language I can use...that is an issue. And I believe it would have been for the founding fathers as well.

I can break almost half the commandments every day and not hurt, harm, or infringe on the rights of another person in this country. Making laws that force me to behave a certain way to address these false crimes start to violate freedom.

Lying, murder, theft, adultry...sure. I agree with that, but sugar coating the rest of it starts to target personal liberty issues. If i want to go out and pray to myself and worship my sports car...who's to say I can't do that?
 
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As soon as the government starts telling me what to believe as far as a higher power and what language I can use...that is an issue. And I believe it would have been for the founding fathers as well.

I can break almost half the commandments every day and not hurt, harm, or infringe on the rights of another person in this country. Making laws that force me to behave a certain way to address these false crimes start to violate freedom.
Lying, murder, theft, adultry...sure. I agree with that, but sugar coating the rest of it starts to target personal liberty issues. If i want to go out and pray to myself and worship my sports car...who's to say I can't do that?

We discussed it in another thread, but isn't this Self Justification for ones own behavior?

We have laws now that I find offensive, yet they are forced down "my Throat" everyday. ie. abortion. But as a law biding citizen, I have to accept the law. Not to mention that my unathorized tax dollars being spent for this cause, Planned Parenthood. Does this not infringe on my rights not to believe in these things? Or should my rights be discounted because they are percieved to be "God Laws"?
 
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