Thank God! A Voice of Reason! Czech President Klaus ready to debate Gore on climate c

[OrangeEmpire]

The Montreal protocol worked pretty well...and I think that was within the UN framework .

If we need to do it, how would you propose a system be monitored? 1.) Do we rely on each nation being honest and doing its part? 2.) Do we create a new international organization that oversees an international cap and trade system? 3.) Do we ignore it and hope that the climate scientists are wrong? Who knows...it may work...

1.) No

2.) No

3.) No

 

[volsforever27]

What do you mean? Are you saying that our technology has reduced our CO2 emissions? If so, I agree. We can do more today for fewer CO2 emissions...and that enables other countries to do so as well. So, while we grew in a carbon-expensive manner, they will be able to grow in a relatively carbon-cheap manner. We're still emitting, but as efficiency increases we were able to produce more for less emissions. Emissions haven't decreased because growth of production as outpaced efficiency increases.

Ok, well if your point is the technology will nevere keep pace witht he growth, then when is enough enough? See TT, I get where you're coming from, it worries you and you'd rather be safe than sorry. But even if I agreed with you, who would be making the decisions? Who decides these things? Like I said before, it has big govt written all over it. Believe it or not, there is a bigger issue at play here.

 

[TennTradition]

1.) No

2.) No

3.) No

OK..then just answer this one

If we need to do it, how would you propose a system be monitored?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

OK..then just answer this one

If you do something, it is better if you do it your self because you know it will get done but I really doubt that the world would bow down to the authority of the US.

 

[TennTradition]

Ok, well if your point is the technology will nevere keep pace witht he growth, then when is enough enough? See TT, I get where you're coming from, it worries you and you'd rather be safe than sorry. But even if I agreed with you, who would be making the decisions? Who decides these things? Like I said before, it has big govt written all over it. Believe it or not, there is a bigger issue at play here.

I agree that certain people latch onto this notion with motives that are not limited to climate concerns. Certain European nations are quite radical in their approach...and I think that this is driven by motives that are not environmental. On the other hand, there are environmental concerns at the heart of the issue....

 

[TennTradition]

If you do something, it is better if you do it your self because you know it will get done but I really doubt that the world would bow down to the authority of the US.

Doubtful...but if it is the only way we will agree to get on board, then...

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Doubtful...but if it is the only way we will agree to get on board, then...

Who then?

The EU?

The UN?

Each region would govern themselves?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

 

[OrangeEmpire]

 

[TennTradition]

Who then?

The EU?

The UN?

Each region would govern themselves?

I think that each nation will bear responsibility for reporting total emissions...and this will be overseen by a semi-autonomous UN agency, like the IAEA (but hopefully not as corrupt). I also think that you will see regional cap and trade partnerships, such as the EU, North America, etc. Technically, each regional trade organization could oversee their emissions...I wouldn't be opposed to the US overseeing everything, but I'm not sure if others would go for it.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

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