That murderous Obama is killing civilians in Afghanistan

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Yeeeee Hawwwww. I's gonna kills me a liberal with this here scatter gun Pa!
 
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Bomb with the word democrat on it = good, righteous bomb

Bomb with the work republican on it= evil, imperialist bomb

No question about it. To date I haven't heard of any anti war protestors surprising Obama at the 1600.
 
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Headed For Home said:
This is a lame arguement. The Dems voted for war. They were outraged just like everyone else - so long as it suited their political goals. As the war lost favor with the public, fewer and fewer Dems would admit that they were on the band wagon too.
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What is this babble?

You guys are all up in arms about Bush being blamed casualties in Iraq, and I simply stated he was the guy in charge and led the way to ramp up the invasion, so yes, if any one person is to be blamed he should be first on the list.

Of course I realize that dems, including our current SoS, voted for the war. I also realize...which you evidently don't...everybody voted for it based on faulty intelligence and dems were the primary ones outraged. The repubs kept supporting the war anyway because it suited the political goals you seem to despise so much. Given the stated reasoning for war, changing targets, and incorrect justification...yes, the dems were pretty outraged about being on the bandwagon. The repubs were the ones still blindly following along.
 
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mattvols said:
No I understand there were quite more I'm just stating that much more civilians have been killed since the US occupation than Saddam ever did.
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This entire statement is absurd. Please seek your history from places other than partisan websites and blogs.
 
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OWB said:
Yeeeee Hawwwww. I's gonna kills me a liberal with this here scatter gun Pa!
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Someone of your character wouldn't be worth the shell. A rope would a more appropriate choice. It could at least be used again.

Nice how you worthless liberals try to divert away from the thread topic, which is your unbridled hypocrisy.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Obama has been POTUS for nine months. Using your skewed reasoning, he is personally responsible for any continued fatalities in the war in Afghanistan. He has only escalated the number of troops, not reduced them.
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WRONG. My reasoning was that Bush started a personal war that resulted in many casualties. Last time I checked it wasn't Obama who declared war on a Afghanistan or Iraq. And I recanted the 138 killings from Saddam as there were much more but that number came from what he was convicted of. Its impossible to get a number from Saddam's killings as no one knows for sure but most say it was around 100,000 but many websites also claim Iraqi Freedom's civilian casulties to be near that same number. The AP's number about 3 years ago was 60,000 and it is now much higher. We may have not taken more Iraqi lives then Saddam but close to it. Are you really telling me thats is justified that we are in that country when our war killed as many as that madman did? Do you really think Iraqi's lives are better now? Give me your reasons for why this is a justified war. I don't want to hear any stupid brainless name calling I want to actually hear why you think this was a justified war. Once again for the 100th time I'm not a liberal so insulting liberals is really not doing anything to me. I'm not even anti-war if its justified just Iraq is not a justified war.
 
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mattvols said:
OHHHZZZ NOOO!!!! The media is leaned left! Get over it. Its that way and always will be. He should be blamed for every death in Iraq it was his war. Ask anyone in the Bush administration around that time like Colin Powell they will tell you that right after 9/11 Bush was looking to make a connection with Iraq and he was going to keep digging stuff up credible or not until he got enough for a war declaration. He manipulated congress with 9/11 fear tactics and got us in a war that no other president would have gotten us involved in so yes he should be blamed for people who die at the hands of a war he started. By the way I am not a Liberal but I do believe in common sense (i.e. not this BS war) and I'm liberal on a few issues but the vast majority of issues I'm conservative on. I'm not going to believe in something just because a certain party does.
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I notice that you are very conservative with punctuation, especially those sentence enders known as periods.
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BigPapaVol said:
I notice that you are very conservative with punctuation, especially those sentence enders known as periods.
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Good job. At least I am not scared of stating my opinion and debating with people instead of wasting my time and just chiming in on people's punctuation.
 
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mattvols said:
Good job. At least I am not scared of stating my opinion and debating with people instead of wasting my time and just chiming in on people's punctuation.
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That's because you're courageous to go along with well spoken. Awesome combo. Wish I had it in me to express my opinion and do so as eloquently. Some guys have all the luck.
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BigPapaVol said:
That's because you're courageous to go along with well spoken. Awesome combo. Wish I had it in me to express my opinion and do so as eloquently. Some guys have all the luck.
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If you disaree with me on something, make a point. If not you can stop with the personal attacks because I simply don't care.
 
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mattvols said:
If you disaree with me on something, make a point. If not you can stop with the personal attacks because I simply don't care.
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clearly you don't care.

As to the garbage regurgitation from some Soros site talking points, it's as worthless as the time you blew posting it.
 
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mattvols said:
WRONG. My reasoning was that Bush started a personal war that resulted in many casualties. Last time I checked it wasn't Obama who declared war on a Afghanistan or Iraq. And I recanted the 138 killings from Saddam as there were much more but that number came from what he was convicted of. Its impossible to get a number from Saddam's killings as no one knows for sure but most say it was around 100,000 but many websites also claim Iraqi Freedom's civilian casulties to be near that same number. The AP's number about 3 years ago was 60,000 and it is now much higher. We may have not taken more Iraqi lives then Saddam but close to it. Are you really telling me thats is justified that we are in that country when our war killed as many as that madman did? Do you really think Iraqi's lives are better now? Give me your reasons for why this is a justified war. I don't want to hear any stupid brainless name calling I want to actually hear why you think this was a justified war. Once again for the 100th time I'm not a liberal so insulting liberals is really not doing anything to me. I'm not even anti-war if its justified just Iraq is not a justified war.
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let's clarify the first statement
Congress declares War, and last I checked that's still how the constitution is written
 
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mattvols said:
WRONG. My reasoning was that Bush started a personal war that resulted in many casualties. Last time I checked it wasn't Obama who declared war on a Afghanistan or Iraq. And I recanted the 138 killings from Saddam as there were much more but that number came from what he was convicted of. Its impossible to get a number from Saddam's killings as no one knows for sure but most say it was around 100,000 but many websites also claim Iraqi Freedom's civilian casulties to be near that same number. The AP's number about 3 years ago was 60,000 and it is now much higher. We may have not taken more Iraqi lives then Saddam but close to it. Are you really telling me thats is justified that we are in that country when our war killed as many as that madman did? Do you really think Iraqi's lives are better now? Give me your reasons for why this is a justified war. I don't want to hear any stupid brainless name calling I want to actually hear why you think this was a justified war. Once again for the 100th time I'm not a liberal so insulting liberals is really not doing anything to me. I'm not even anti-war if its justified just Iraq is not a justified war.
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1. We hung the bad guy.

2. Three free elections have since been held in Iraq.

3. Saddam used chemical warfare on his own people, would he have hesitated to use them on other nations?

Here's a question for you.

Do you think the Kurdish people would consider chemical weapons as WMDs?
 
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mattvols said:
WRONG. My reasoning was that Bush started a personal war that resulted in many casualties. Last time I checked it wasn't Obama who declared war on a Afghanistan or Iraq. And I recanted the 138 killings from Saddam as there were much more but that number came from what he was convicted of. Its impossible to get a number from Saddam's killings as no one knows for sure but most say it was around 100,000 but many websites also claim Iraqi Freedom's civilian casulties to be near that same number. The AP's number about 3 years ago was 60,000 and it is now much higher. We may have not taken more Iraqi lives then Saddam but close to it. Are you really telling me thats is justified that we are in that country when our war killed as many as that madman did? Do you really think Iraqi's lives are better now? Give me your reasons for why this is a justified war. I don't want to hear any stupid brainless name calling I want to actually hear why you think this was a justified war. Once again for the 100th time I'm not a liberal so insulting liberals is really not doing anything to me. I'm not even anti-war if its justified just Iraq is not a justified war.
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Saddam killed as many as 200,000 in his offensive against the Kurds alone. He killed as many as 300,000 Shia during the uprising. His true number of victims is probably over 1,000,000. Like it or not your argument that he killed less or about as many as we have killed in Iraq is absurd.

Let us not also forget that many, maybe even most of those included in the very likely hyper inflated total of 60,000 killed you mention so often are victims of suicide bombers killed by terrorists, not by US soldiers.
 
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mattvols said:
So you're telling me that Obama pushed a button and said bomb them? First off this strike was called in by Germans if you had read the article and it was NATO that called in our planes. Do you really want to get into civilian casualty numbers from when Bush was in charge? Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in this war, Sadam killed 148. You tell me who's the murderer. There would be over 150,000 more people on this earth had George Bush not started his war. I mean this has to be one of the worst arguments I've ever heard.
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That's absolute horse ****. You need to get some better sources of information.
 
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mattvols said:
WRONG. My reasoning was that Bush started a personal war that resulted in many casualties. Last time I checked it wasn't Obama who declared war on a Afghanistan or Iraq. And I recanted the 138 killings from Saddam as there were much more but that number came from what he was convicted of. Its impossible to get a number from Saddam's killings as no one knows for sure but most say it was around 100,000 but many websites also claim Iraqi Freedom's civilian casulties to be near that same number. The AP's number about 3 years ago was 60,000 and it is now much higher. We may have not taken more Iraqi lives then Saddam but close to it. Are you really telling me thats is justified that we are in that country when our war killed as many as that madman did? Do you really think Iraqi's lives are better now? Give me your reasons for why this is a justified war. I don't want to hear any stupid brainless name calling I want to actually hear why you think this was a justified war. Once again for the 100th time I'm not a liberal so insulting liberals is really not doing anything to me. I'm not even anti-war if its justified just Iraq is not a justified war.
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One of my rules to live by:

If you are practicing population control, always start with another country!
 
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volger said:
Civilian casualties are the price of war. Lib or Conservative be damned. That **** happens regardless of who is in power. Moot thread.
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I think the point of the thread is the hypocrisy of the statists, and it is a very valid point. :eek:k:
 
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rjd970 said:
I'll preface my comment by saying Saddam needed to be delt with, but we did in fact invade a country neither attacked us nor posed a a significant threat.
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We invaded a country that had invaded one of our ally countries and had agreed to disarm as part of the peace agreement after we kicked them back to Baghdad. A country whose leadership proceeded to snub their nose at the international community and to seek armaments rather than disarming as agreed upon. We waited too long to go into Iraq.

One more thing, why is it that the socialist libs like to call it Bush's war? Congress approved it, so it was Congress' war!
 
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