That's racist!

[NashVol11]

Fake? Myth?

Neither. It’s real and happens all the time. It is racist af. It has happened to me and about every single black person I know who has ever worked around or spent time around large groups of white people.

It’s very offensive. You don’t have to understand why it’s so offensive and racist. Just know it is.


You? Hot women of any race?

I know you have actual lived experience dealing with this, BUT, consider this: there’s a white guy in Memphis who has never heard of it. So your lived experience must be fake news, or something

 

[SLICKYINC]

I'm going to go out in the shop and test this hair touching theory. Brb

 

[1972 Grad]

I know you have actual lived experience dealing with this, BUT, consider this: there’s a white guy in Memphis who has never heard of it. So your lived experience must be fake news, or something

I have never lived in Memphis, but I have never heard black folks' hair discussed among us racist whites, or whether or not anybody wanted to touch it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The ramifications of my claims have absolutely never been that the Nazis were right because they decided they were right. That decision only means that they were right to them. That’s as broad as it goes to anyone with reading comprehension

And you nor I have any right to claim that our opinion if better than theirs. You have lost any platform to claim that you are right and they are wrong, so stop trying. You can only say that you prefer your society better than theirs.

At best, you morph to a "might makes right" since we were strong enough to win the war and punish them for thinking differently than us. But even that loses your platform because you have claimed that right/wrong is socially defined. So if the Nazis had been strong enough to win, racist murder would be right and your opinion would be wrong.

You have zero platform to make any judgments when you base your morality as no deeper than opinion.

You've claimed that law makes moral. That means that racism and bigotry were moral when the jim crow laws were in effect and anything that tried to change that was immoral.

You have no clue, the ramifications to your profession that right and wrong are mere opinions and defined by society. For morality to actually be genuinely right or wrong, they must be based in something objective or they aren't right or wrong.

 

[BeecherVol]

I know you have actual lived experience dealing with this, BUT, consider this: there’s a white guy in Memphis who has never heard of it. So your lived experience must be fake news, or something

Thats actually an interesting point.

If that white guy in Memphis did that in ignorance, (since he has never heard of it) is he racist?

If he had never heard of it but yet decided not to do it because he recognized them as "different" is he racist? (which hits on VNBs post a little)

 

[NashVol11]

And you nor I have any right to claim that our opinion if better than theirs. You have lost any platform to claim that you are right and they are wrong, so stop trying. You can only say that you prefer your society better than theirs.

At best, you morph to a "might makes right" since we were strong enough to win the war and punish them for thinking differently than us. But even that loses your platform because you have claimed that right/wrong is socially defined. So if the Nazis had been strong enough to win, racist murder would be right and your opinion would be wrong.

You have zero platform to make any judgments when you base your morality as no deeper than opinion.

You've claimed that law makes moral. That means that racism and bigotry were moral when the jim crow laws were in effect and anything that tried to change that was immoral.

You have no clue, the ramifications to your profession that right and wrong are mere opinions and defined by society. For morality to actually be genuinely right or wrong, they must be based in something objective or they aren't right or wrong.

No, I can still have the opinion that my value system is right and theirs is wrong, and that would apply even if they had conquered the world. The “rightness” of their values is never going to extend beyond their own minds. I can make whatever judgments I want; it’s the person claiming objective rightness that has a platform problem.

I’ve never said that law makes morality, I’ve said that laws are a reflection of what a society deems right. Our society absolutely viewed Jim Crow as right at the time, which is shameful. But your post is largely five paragraphs of attacking a strawman.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Fake? Myth?

Neither. It’s real and happens all the time. It is racist af. It has happened to me and about every single black person I know who has ever worked around or spent time around large groups of white people.

It’s very offensive. You don’t have to understand why it’s so offensive and racist. Just know it is.


You? Hot women of any race?

Lol. DUMB. It might be real but it doesnt happen all the time, if ever. Is it offensive? Yeah..touching ANYONES hair without their permission is offensive. And I dont even want to know what kind of industry you work in where White folks are touching black peoples hair all the time. (Strip club industry perhaps?) I've touched black peoples hair twice in 39 years, and it was a half black/Japanese chick and a half White/black chick I hooked up with in the Air Force. They had natural Caucasian/Asian hair, relaxer free. The only other black girls I was ever around where the ones bused in from the hood back to my high school in Knoxville, and those were straight up hood rats who all seemed to have the same T-boz (TLC) haircut/wig.

Also, not hot women of any race, only the hottest black chicks which are few and far between in the upper echelons of society that I am in. But they are low on my I want to sleep with this type of chick totem pole. Its White - Asian - Hispanic - the rest. Just my own personal preference which most guys have (preference, not the racial order).

 

[FLVOL_79]

Ok. So the Nazis were right to do what they did and we should have left their society to it's own opinion. Gotcha.

To be fair most of the world didnt know what the Nazi's had done until the allies made it into Germany. We were kicking their asses for other reasons before we stumbled upon Dachau...then it was WTF time.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No, I can still have the opinion that my value system is right and theirs is wrong, and that would apply even if they had conquered the world. The “rightness” of their values is never going to extend beyond their own minds.

I’ve never said that law makes morality, I’ve said that laws are a reflection of what a society deems right. Our society absolutely viewed Jim Crow as right at the time, which is shameful. But your post is largely five paragraphs of attacking a strawman.

You make the absurd claims that right and wrong are actually right and wrong, while also claiming them to be merely opinion.

That is mutually exclusive.

Of course you can claim your own opinion as preferences. You just seem to think that your preferences make something right or wrong. They don't.

What you can't do is claim that right and wrong are mere opinions and then claim that the Nazis were wrong. All that means is that you prefer something different. Big whoop.

 

[Orange_Crush]

To be fair most of the world didnt know what the Nazi's had done until the allies made it into Germany. We were kicking their asses for other reasons before we stumbled upon Dachau...then it was WTF time.

Irrelevant. If morality is opinion, they weren't wrong. They just disagreed.

Sending them to prison for killing Jews was the equivalent of sending them to prison for liking vanilla ice cream.

There is no right or wrong. Just opinion, right?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Irrelevant. If morality is opinion, they weren't wrong. They just disagreed.

Sending them to prison for killing Jews was the equivalent of sending them to prison for liking vanilla ice cream.

There is no right or wrong. Just opinion, right?

There is right...then you have liberals

 

[NashVol11]

You make the absurd claims that right and wrong are actually right and wrong, while also claiming them to be merely opinion.

That is mutually exclusive.

Of course you can claim your own opinion as preferences. You just seem to think that your preferences make something right or wrong. They don't.

What you can't do is claim that right and wrong are mere opinions and then claim that the Nazis were wrong. All that means is that you prefer something different. Big whoop.

I’m not claiming that they are actually right and wrong, objectively. That’s my point. What I view as right and wrong is largely my subjective opinion. To me, Nazis were wrong; to Nazis, Nazis were right. Both of those opinions can and do still exist, but one now enjoys near-universal and passionate agreement, which is why Nazis have largely been eradicated.

 

[NashVol11]

Irrelevant. If morality is opinion, they weren't wrong. They just disagreed.

Sending them to prison for killing Jews was the equivalent of sending them to prison for liking vanilla ice cream.

There is no right or wrong. Just opinion, right?

Sending them to prison for killing Jews was a reflection of our strong opinion that that was wrong and abhorrent in any society, an opinion that no one shares about ice cream. Keep trying, though

 

[Orange_Crush]

I’m not claiming that they are actually right and wrong, objectively. That’s my point. What I view as right and wrong is largely my subjective opinion. To me, Nazis were wrong; to Nazis, Nazis were right. Both of those opinions can and do still exist, but one now enjoys near-universal and passionate agreement, which is why Nazis have largely been eradicated.

You should care more about definitions. You just agreed with post that you took issue with.

If morality is mere opinion, there is no right or wrong. If you agree with me, why all the fuss? Why waste both our time?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Sending them to prison for killing Jews was a reflection of our strong opinion that that was wrong and abhorrent in any society, an opinion that no one shares about ice cream. Keep trying, though

So if we felt just as strongly about ice cream, there would have been no difference.

You have no idea how ignorant and self contradictory you sound.

Morality is nothing more than social opinion, so we enforced our social opinion that their social opinion should not exist in any society.

Get out of here and clean your beliefs up. Find some consistency and stop contradicting yourself while proving me right.

 

[NashVol11]

You should care more about definitions. You just agreed with post that you took issue with.

If morality is mere opinion, there is no right or wrong. If you agree with me, why all the fuss? Why waste both our time?

If right and wrong are mere opinion, there is no objective right and wrong. Yes. That’s what I said from the very beginning lol, so you might want to ask yourself that question

 

[Squints]

You make the absurd claims that right and wrong are actually right and wrong, while also claiming them to be merely opinion.

That is mutually exclusive.

Of course you can claim your own opinion as preferences. You just seem to think that your preferences make something right or wrong. They don't.

What you can't do is claim that right and wrong are mere opinions and then claim that the Nazis were wrong. All that means is that you prefer something different. Big whoop.

Man, this has become a thread of preferences.

You prefer Americanism and freedom.

FLVOL_79 prefers Caucasian-Asian-Hispanic-the rest, as the order of breed-ability.

McDad prefers puns.

K-town prefers that everyone be racist but him.

GV prefers any Kimber 1911 models over plastic, 3D prints.

Nashvol prefers circular, self-referential justification of what’s morally superior.

Septic prefers trolling.

Tums prefers rattling the trolls’ cages.

Joe prefers being an overt racist, except when it involves Maria Taylor.

CP prefers dumb arguments be referred to as poonish.

I prefer an ass whipping of FL and a cold beer.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If right and wrong are mere opinion, there is no objective right and wrong. Yes. That’s what I said from the very beginning lol, so you might want to ask yourself that question

Go read the post you took issue with, Einstein. Geez.

 

[NashVol11]

So if we felt just as strongly about ice cream, there would have been no difference.

You have no idea how ignorant and self contradictory you sound.

Morality is nothing more than social opinion, so we enforced our social opinion that their social opinion should not exist in any society.

Get out of here and clean your beliefs up. Find some consistency and stop contradicting yourself while proving me right.

Yes, if we decided that liking vanilla ice cream was worthy of the death penalty or life in prison, then people who liked vanilla ice cream would get the death penalty or life in prison, just like the Nazis. I thought that was obvious, but according to you, you’re making a really clever point here.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yes, if we decided that liking vanilla ice cream was worthy of the death penalty or life in prison, then people who liked vanilla ice cream would get the death penalty or life in prison, just like the Nazis. I thought that was obvious, but according to you, you’re making a really clever point here.

I didn't make a clever point. I made many obvious points that you are unable or unwilling to grasp.

The point is that you just agreed that racism and murder are not moral issues. They are the equivalent to a trip to the ice cream shop. Thus, there is no right and wrong. I was correct. You took issue with something your worldview proved out and you ended up agreeing with.

You worldview belittles the entire concept of racism.

 

[NashVol11]

Go read the post you took issue with, Einstein. Geez.

“It’s not wrong, just not preferred by some.”

Yes, and if right vs. wrong is an opinion, that is true for everything. The things we view as wrong or criminal are just not preferred, which makes this no different from anything else. The lack of an objective standard for wrongfulness would make “wrong” and “not preferred” virtually the same thing, which is what I said. Keep the brilliance coming though, this is fun

 

[NashVol11]

I didn't make a clever point. I made many obvious points that you are unable or unwilling to grasp.

The point is that you just agreed that racism and murder are not moral issues. They are the equivalent to a trip to the ice cream shop. Thus, there is no right and wrong. I was correct. You took issue with something your worldview proved out and you ended up agreeing with.

You worldview belittles the entire concept of racism.

Yes, they are (changing) opinions held by society, which is exactly how I described them in the very first post you quoted from me. Nothing about that undermines the concept of racism; our disdain for racism doesn’t depend on the existence of objective morality any more than our disdain for murder does.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I'm going to go out in the shop and test this hair touching theory. Brb

Ok, so my findings are that I've never noticed the large amount of bald headed dudes until I put this theory to test. But bald headed dudes do get pissed when you try to palm their head like a basketball. The comment I received was something along the lines of, WTF is wrong wit you cracka...

Then I moved on to a women with really long "real" hair and I asked if I could touch it. The comment I received was, you is weird mane, but go ahead. I specifically asked if it was racist that I asked to touch your hair. I again received the comment, like I said mane, you is weird...

I'll try this experiment again later because I didn't get the results I was told I should get...

 

[NashVol11]

But bald headed dudes do get pissed when you try to palm their head like a basketball.

This made me lol

 

[tumscalcium]

Fake? Myth?

Neither. It’s real and happens all the time. It is racist af. It has happened to me and about every single black person I know who has ever worked around or spent time around large groups of white people.

It’s very offensive. You don’t have to understand why it’s so offensive and racist. Just know it is.


You? Hot women of any race?

I know you have actual lived experience dealing with this, BUT, consider this: there’s a white guy in Memphis who has never heard of it. So your lived experience must be fake news, or something

What horrible lives you guys have lived. Some people wanted to touch your hair? The horror!

Just imagine how much better your lives will be if you didn’t care about stupid ****.