The Anniversary the Media Would Prefer You Forget

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Franklin Pierce said:
I don't guess there will be a george floyd national holiday.
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Franklin Pierce said:
Funeral in three cities with thousands of white Communists like you, who want to be black, praising god-like floyd. Gold casket. Horse-drawn carriage. Surprised he doesn't yet have a holiday.
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Franklin Pierce said:
Justice for george floyd. Send your dollars for justice to Black Lives Matter so we can buy multi million dollar mansions to live in. Funnel money to our kin.
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Franklin Pierce said:
Did you visit floyds tomb and pay your respects to the criminal who caused a railroaded police officer spend the rest of his life in prison?
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I understand the anger at making the man a martyr. But that is something we do with people who are dead even in private settings. The political and social angle increased the lionizing exponentially.

But that man did not need to die. We should expect better from our government agents who have the legal authority to trample our rights.

Yall need to separate the response of the partisans from the actions of the police on this issue.
 
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McDad said:
Floyd was murdered on the altar of toxic police culture.
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You really think the police (Chauvin) intended to kill Floyd that day? That knee on his neck was not deadly force. There were many other factors

One consistent fact in these police "murders": The suspect resisted arrest Learning point: do not fight with armed police. It won't end well for you
 
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McDad said:
Once the detainee is subdued and cuffed, there is NO REASON TO CONTINUE THE USE OF EXTREME FORCE.
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The getting him on the ground (he was clearly on video resisting being put in the car) was fine. Even the knee on neck to gain control would pass muster. Then, with multiple officers on site, retain control and sit him up and attempt to get him into the vehicle again. At a minimum if he continued to violently resist it would justify elevated measures. As it was...well we all saw what happened.
 
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Sea Ray said:
You really think the police (Chauvin) intended to kill Floyd that day? That knee on his neck was not deadly force. There were many other factors

One consistent fact in these police "murders": The suspect resisted arrest Learning point: do not fight with armed police. It won't end well for you
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I don't believe an office would intentionally kill a person except in self defense. I agree that suspects who are cooperative have a much better chance of better treatment. Neither of those two agreements negate what I found to be egregious in the event.

The police dept, the courts, the guilty officer all disagree with your opinion on deadly force wrt Floyd.
 
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hndog609 said:
The getting him on the ground (he was clearly on video resisting being put in the car) was fine. Even the knee on neck to gain control would pass muster. Then, with multiple officers on site, retain control and sit him up and attempt to get him into the vehicle again. At a minimum if he continued to violently resist it would justify elevated measures. As it was...well we all saw what happened.
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I agree completely. Once the threat to safety for officers and suspect is neutralized, deescalation should begin.
 
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McDad said:
I don't believe an office would intentionally kill a person except in self defense. I agree that suspects who are cooperative have a much better chance of better treatment. Neither of those two agreements negate what I found to be egregious in the event.

The police dept, the courts, the guilty officer all disagree with your opinion on deadly force wrt Floyd.
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The science agrees with me. The autopsy did not show deadly force. That would not have killed a healthy guy who wasn't on huge doses of drugs.

I agree that Chauvin used excessive force. He should have backed off after the suspect was no longer resisting. Spending the rest of his life in prison seems like a lot given the details of this case
 
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Sea Ray said:
The science agrees with me. The autopsy did not show deadly force. That would not have killed a healthy guy who wasn't on huge doses of drugs.

I agree that Chauvin used excessive force. He should have backed off after the suspect was no longer resisting. Spending the rest of his life in prison seems like a lot given the details of this case
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the autopsy done after the case was settled? Did Chauvin appeal? I understand he pled guilty, is he now trying to come back and say he was forced into plea?
 
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Sea Ray said:
The science agrees with me. The autopsy did not show deadly force. That would not have killed a healthy guy who wasn't on huge doses of drugs.

I agree that Chauvin used excessive force. He should have backed off after the suspect was no longer resisting. Spending the rest of his life in prison seems like a lot given the details of this case
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The science agrees with you???
My friend, I offer this for consideration:
Experts: George Floyd died from knee to neck, not drug overdose

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CLAIM: George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose, not from the actions of arresting Minneapolis police officers.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The county medical examiner’s office ruled Floyd’s death a homicide due to “cardiopulmonary arrest,” not an overdose, even though he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system. Medical experts at the murder trial for one of the former police officers involved also testified Floyd died of a lack of oxygen from being pinned to the pavement with a knee on his neck, not from drug use. A jury unanimously agreed, finding the former officer guilty of murder and manslaughter.

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office ruled Floyd’s death a homicide due to “cardiopulmonary arrest” from “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”
Floyd, who had a history of heart disease and opioid addiction, was also found with 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl in his system as well as 19 nanograms per milliliter of methamphetamine, according to the office’s autopsy.
Lewis Nelson, director of the medical toxicology division at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, told the AP on Thursday that the medical examiner’s office and the expert witnesses called by prosecutors during the trial properly concluded that Floyd did not die of an overdose or because of his drug use.
He said the amount of fentanyl found in Floyd’s system could be lethal for a first-time user or a young child or a smaller adult, but likely not for Floyd, who was 46 years old, stood more than six feet tall, weighed more than 200 pounds and struggled with opioid addiction.
That too was a focal point for defense lawyers during the trial and isn’t a new argument. An expert witness for the prosecution testified Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck area nearly the full 9 1/2 minutes he was pinned to the ground.
Jody Stiger, a Los Angeles police officer and use-of-force expert, said during trial that Chauvin appeared to bear down on Floyd with his full weight,
 
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Sea Ray said:
You really think the police (Chauvin) intended to kill Floyd that day? That knee on his neck was not deadly force. There were many other factors
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Well that makes it better and more legal.

Sea Ray said:
One consistent fact in these police "murders": The suspect resisted arrest Learning point: do not fight with armed police. It won't end well for you
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Interesting...
 
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Sea Ray said:
The science agrees with me. The autopsy did not show deadly force. That would not have killed a healthy guy who wasn't on huge doses of drugs.

I agree that Chauvin used excessive force. He should have backed off after the suspect was no longer resisting. Spending the rest of his life in prison seems like a lot given the details of this case
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He's not spending the rest of his life in prison.
 
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I’m reminded by Norton’s neo-Nazi character from American History X when I read some of the rhetoric about George Floyd in this thread.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I’m reminded by Norton’s neo-Nazi character from American History X when I read some of the rhetoric about George Floyd in this thread.
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While Chauvin was guilty of contributing to Floyd's death, keep in mind that Floyd was FAR from being a model citizen.
 
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ETV said:
While Chauvin was guilty of contributing to Floyd's death, keep in mind that Floyd was FAR from being a model citizen.
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That is in no way relevant. The point was a cop used excessive force that resulted in death because he assumed there would be no consequences.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That is in no way relevant. The point was a cop used excessive force that resulted in death because he assumed there would be no consequences.
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You don’t know if DC thought that. That’s your assumption.

Had other officers intervened and held Chauvin accountable, Floyd may still be alive today. Had Floyd made better choices and held accountable for his previous mistakes, he probably would not have been in that altercation with Chauvin.
 
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