The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

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I generally take a dim view of conspiracy theories. They've got not one, but two things going against them:

(1) Getting all the actors to pull it off, undetected; and

(2) Keeping the secret after the fact

A number of people believe a larger plot simply because they don't think Oswald could pull it off alone. Well, whatever its problems, the single gunman theory is still more feasible than an unknown alternative, for which there is scant evidence.
 
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Easy experiment to prove to yourself if a conspiracy possibly exists or not, take a modern bolt action rifle with a good scope. Set up 2 watermelons at 100 yards fire your first round intentionally missing then score hits with your next 2 shots. Do it in under 7 seconds from shot 1 to 3.
 
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Obsessed said:
I've seen testimony and footage of the aftermath. No evidence of a plane.

A woman walked out of the hole, and stated there was no evidence there to suggest a plane had hit the building.

I don't know. Why confiscate the video?
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I work with a guy who responded with the Army and he says he saw plane parts. He is black..could be lying.
 
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hog88 said:
Easy experiment to prove to yourself if a conspiracy possibly exists or not, take a modern bolt action rifle with a good scope. Set up 2 watermelons at 100 yards fire your first round intentionally missing then score hits with your next 2 shots. Do it in under 7 seconds from shot 1 to 3.
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Easy if you are a pro Snipe hunter..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Easy if you are a pro Snipe hunter..
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Pro's have tried it. Very difficult. Hog is being generous with a watermelon. (Not to mention it not moving along with unknown movements that could have been made by JFK )

I don't buy the official story.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Laugh til you fall out of your chair, but, I always thought that the 'ol wifey had something to do with it or some part in it.

He was a piece of S*** husband, she came from real money and power, and she had ways and means around her to make it happen. Cahoots with LBJ..?, from Texas no less.

She could have easily been the one in his ear to keep the top down, that he repeatedly told secret service that he wanted down. Something as simple as this being her only part to be in his ear and make sure it was so.

I can hear her the the night before,
"honey you need people to see you, and you and me together. It only helps make you more the people's President....". Next day, after all he is just a married man too, and he is going to do as his sweat heart told him in bed while discussing.

More so, who benefits in his death? We have the usual suspects already known. But, just as is life and in any murder case, there is a short list of people you start with. Think about it, she became the icon and the immortal Jakie O. She, and the family heirs, benefited greatly in terms of his death for decades and til this day.

Not saying that she was solely responsible or that she initiated it, but.......
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Nice conspiracy but if you read O'Reilly's book, you will understand that "pressing the flesh" was his MO.
 
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Obsessed said:
Pro's have tried it. Very difficult. Hog is being generous with a watermelon. (Not to mention it not moving along with unknown movements that could have been made by JFK )

I don't buy the official story.
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Never have believed the single shooter story.

Scoring 2 hits out of 3 shots, one a head shot, 6-8" shot group on a down-angle moving target in 7 seconds is a good days work for anyone. Doing it with a POS bolt action rifle with open sights is not impossible but extreamly unlikely.
 
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hog88 said:
Never have believed the single shooter story.

Scoring 2 hits out of 3 shots, one a head shot, 6-8" shot group on a down-angle moving target in 7 seconds is a good days work for anyone. Doing it with a POS bolt action rifle with open sights is not impossible but extreamly unlikely.
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Exactly. Anyone who shoots will know this.
 
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GAVol said:
It was LHO being a nutcase.
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He was in on it but no way he had the skill. Not to mention entrance wounds do not explode out and send the target back towards the trajectory of the round.

Exit wounds are always larger than entry wounds.
 
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hog88 said:
Never have believed the single shooter story.

Scoring 2 hits out of 3 shots, one a head shot, 6-8" shot group on a down-angle moving target in 7 seconds is a good days work for anyone. Doing it with a POS bolt action rifle with open sights is not impossible but extreamly unlikely.
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Not true. I've seen Full Metal Jacket and The DI says it can be done.
 
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hog88 said:
He was in on it but no way he had the skill. Not to mention entrance wounds do not explode out and send the target back towards the trajectory of the round.

Exit wounds are always larger than entry wounds.
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I've always thought Oswald was way too flaky to have been in on anything.
 
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volmaverick said:
Politically JFK was way to the right of all democrats and about 50% of the republicans in office now.

If he was alive today he wouldn’t be allowed to join the democrat party - they would be lambasting him for his extreme far right views.

So isn’t it ironic that democrats have made JFK their leading idol?
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And Reagan is about 50 times more liberal than the conservative today, yet conservatives latch on to him.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I generally take a dim view of conspiracy theories. They've got not one, but two things going against them:

(1) Getting all the actors to pull it off, undetected; and

(2) Keeping the secret after the fact

A number of people believe a larger plot simply because they don't think Oswald could pull it off alone. Well, whatever its problems, the single gunman theory is still more feasible than an unknown alternative, for which there is scant evidence.
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Biggest thing about a conspiracy that is often overlooked per your fact 1. If there were multiple shooters, chances are the rest of them are dead and didn't live long after the shooting. Oswald claimed to be a patsy, but who knows since he didn't live long afterwards either. So there is that to think on.

Keeping the secret isn't that hard when there's few left alive to tell the secret. In reference to the above paragraph, chances of assassinating the leader of the free world and living to tell the tale? Not exactly what most would consider good odds.

For me, the biggest questions unanswered were/are:

Did Jack Ruby know Oswald prior to 22 November?

What connection did Ruby have to Oswald if so?

How was Oswald able to defect to the Soviet Union, release classified information (purportedly) and allowed to return to the United States without being at least investigated for the so called release?

Who benefited the most from Kennedy's death?

I think there was a conspiracy myself. As to the other shooters? If there were any, dead and buried in an unmarked grave in central Texas not long after the shooting probably. But it just seemed like too large a crime to have been done by one man.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Suppose the question would be...

What's the 20 percent part that you don't believe?
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It's not 20 percent of the whole that I don't believe. It's that if you were to mathematize the probability of a conspiracy of some kind then I'd peg it at around 20 percent. For one thing, it seems to me that someone involved would have spoken up by now. 50 years is a long time to keep that monumental a secret.
 
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Obsessed said:
Great.

I look forward to your scientific proof that he could accomplish that
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Actually, the burden of proof would be on how he couldn't accomplish that since the judgment of the Warren Commission was he did do it. And that's where the conspiracy theorists get hung up. They are convinced the shots couldn't be made. They were duplicated by some, but couldn't be duplicated by others.

One of the few cases in American history where a citizen was found guilty without ever having a trial.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's not 20 percent of the whole that I don't believe. It's that if you were to mathematize the probability of a conspiracy of some kind then I'd peg it at around 20 percent. For one thing, it seems to me that someone involved would have spoken up by now. 50 years is a long time to keep that monumental a secret.
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Again, that's assuming anyone was left alive so to speak.

First rule of a conspiracy? Eliminate the conspirators. I mean, if someone was bold enough to murder the President of the United States (pretty sure I just pegged an NSA computer with that one) you believe they would hesitate for one second to snuff out the other conspirators?

Which is why the whole idea of a conspiracy theory won't ever be proven. Nobody left around to corroborate the story.
 
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