The Athletic: New data shows Tennessee’s surge into top financial tier of college athletics

[TartanTurff]

big jim and his money ran ut football into the ground.take a look at the browns.he thinks he knows football but results beg to differ.

You've mistaken Big Jim for Little Jimmy, Jimmy and Dee own the Browns and are the face of that franchise, Big Jim is in Cleveland only when invited and is in attendance at almost all Tennessee football and basketball games, home and away. He dropped a cool $145 million in seed money into the most recent fundraising campaign after Heupel's first year and could care less whether they win or lose, but he will support all things Tennessee.

 

[headhunter15]

Tennessee has to do whatever it takes to keep Danny White for the next 15-20 years.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Two of Phil‘s last four seasons were losing seasons and we couldn’t beat a top 10 team to save our lives, even in Neyland....

That's actually wrong, Tsar.

In 2005, which you're right, was a losing season, we beat #4 LSU down in Louisiana.

And the year after that, 2006, which is also one of "Phil's last four seasons," we beat both #9 Cal (in Neyland) and #10 Georgia (at their place). I guess you'd say we "saved our lives" twice that season.

I'm not trying to sway you away from Fulmer-hate, you do you. Just saying you can do that while getting the facts right.

Go Vols!

 

[OrangeTsar]

That's actually wrong, Tsar.

In 2005, which you're right, was a losing season, we beat #4 LSU down in Louisiana.

And the year after that, 2006, which is also one of "Phil's last four seasons," we beat both #9 Cal (in Neyland) and #10 Georgia (at their place). I guess you'd say we "saved our lives" twice that season.

I'm not trying to sway you away from Fulmer-hate, you do you. Just saying you can do that while getting the facts right.

Go Vols!

It’s not Fulmer „hate“, it’s Fulmer reality. He did some great things here. I blame Hamilton for not knowing when it was time to pull the plug.
It was interesting that the temporary uptick in Tennessee‘s fortunes corresponded to the return of Cutcliffe

 

[VFL-82-JP]

It’s not Fulmer „hate“, it’s Fulmer reality. He did some great things here. I blame Hamilton for not knowing when it was time to pull the plug.
It was interesting that the temporary uptick in Tennessee‘s fortunes corresponded to the return of Cutcliffe

True: Fulmer with Cutcliffe was better than Fulmer without Cutcliffe. On the other hand, Fulmer is the fella who made Cutcliffe his OC. Pretty smart of him.

As for the rest, I've always been a fan of the "command" approach to blame and credit: if it happened while a fella was in command, he gets credit (or blame). Period.

Now, when it's credit, there's always plenty to go around: absolutely fair to say Fulmer AND Cutcliffe (and the rest of the coaching staff) get credit for all the Ws they earned. Together. Because they did it together.

But it's dishonest, in my view, to cut the head coach out of any of the good that happened while he was leading.


Go Vols!


p.s. The '05 season when we beat #4 LSU? Cut wasn't with us for that.

 

[OrangeTsar]

True: Fulmer with Cutcliffe was better than Fulmer without Cutcliffe. He might eventually have found another outstanding OC (Randy Sanders wasn't it), but we'll never know.

As for the rest, I've always been a fan of the "command" approach to blame and credit: if it happened while a fella was in command, he gets credit (or blame). Period.

Now, when it's credit, there's always plenty to go around: absolutely fair to say Fulmer AND Cutcliffe (and the rest of the coaching staff) get credit for all the Ws they earned. Together. Because they did it together.

But it's dishonest, in my view, to cut the head coach out of any of the good that happened while he was leading.


Go Vols!


p.s. The '05 season when we beat #4 LSU? Cut wasn't with us for that.

When did I ever „cut Fulmer out“ of any good he did? He did a lot of good things. He was also at the helm when the ship started taking on water. The buck has to stop at the very top. I have no room for neither Fulmer worship nor Fulmer hate. Like everyone else in this life, it was a mixed bag. But the trends were what they were

 

[VFL-82-JP]

When did I ever „cut Fulmer out“ of any good he did? He did a lot of good things. He was also at the helm when the ship started taking on water. The buck has to stop at the very top. I have no room for neither Fulmer worship nor Fulmer hate. Like everyone else in this life, it was a mixed bag. But the trends were what they were

You did it just earlier, remember? When you said he couldn't beat a Top 10 team to save his life in his last four years? Even though we won three contests against top 10 opponents in those final four years (#4 LSU in '05, then #9 Cal and #10 UGa in '06). Remember saying that?

I do agree with you that '05 and '08 were rough years. I'm not convinced our trajectory would have continued that way, though, especially if Fulmer had been given a sabbatical to "get his head right," and come back hungry.

I'm with you on seeing things objectively, the good and the bad. You didn't do that with the "to save our lives" comment. That's all I'm saying.

Go Vols!

 

[stolitonic]

You did it just earlier, remember? When you said he couldn't beat a Top 10 team to save his life in his last four years? Even though we won three contests against top 10 opponents in those final four years (#4 LSU in '05, then #9 Cal and #10 UGa in '06). Remember saying that?

I do agree with you that '05 and '08 were rough years. I'm not convinced our trajectory would have continued that way, though, especially if Fulmer had been given a sabbatical to "get his head right," and come back hungry.

I'm with you on seeing things objectively, the good and the bad. You didn't do that with the "to save our lives" comment. That's all I'm saying.

Go Vols!

Wait a tic.

Phil got about a ten year sabbatical. He was brought back as AD and in just under 37 months brought the department to it's knees.

I'm sorry, but Phil did his bit in the 90s. It was painfully evident by 2005 or so that the ship was taking on water.

Even after he got canned, he could have gracefully faded into the sunset. Nope. He hovered over the program for years like a Big Orange Phantom of the Opera. Scheming.

He got his chance alright

Sorry, but I remember how I felt that January day in 2021. With all the excitement of the last few years, woulda probably been easier to forget-but I haven't. That day felt like a dear relative (UT football) had passed.

El Gordo had a strong hand in that downfall. Luckily, the reports of our demise were greatly exaggerated and here we are.

 

[JMSqb11]

I won't post the full article since it's behind a paywall, but for subscribers, here's the link.

And here's the best part:



Hiring Danny White was really a critical juncture for the success of our entire athletic department.

Not shocked. If the trio of Barnes, Heupel, Vitello keep on the current path, we will be bathing in cash.

I remember early to mid 2010's that someone on wall street did an analysis on Saban's impact on Bama.

Just from an out of state enrollment factor alone, Saban, via football success, was responsible for bringing in like $50m more because out of state applicants tripled from his first year in 2007.

 

[Volador]

New data shows Tennessee’s surge into top financial tier of college athletics