The Atlanta Braves Thread (Javy Lopez Edition)

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Peyton is one of the top handful of QBs to ever play the game. Eli is a serviceable quality NFL starter. Anyone who would rather have the ball in Eli's hands at any point in the game is either Eli's wife, a Giants fan, or someone who's listened to way too much shock sports radio. SMMFH.
 
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TBrown said:
People are reconciling one of the luckiest plays in sporting history with Eli being captain clutch
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Like I said, do y'all not remember him shaking off a sure sack and putting the damn ball were only the receiver could catch it? Do y'all not remember that he still had to finish the drive with a TD pass to Plax?
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Like I said, do y'all not remember him shaking off a sure sack and putting the damn ball were only the receiver could catch it? Do y'all not remember that he still had to finish the drive with a TD pass to Plax?
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If David tyree hadn't miraculously pinned it against his helmet I'm pretty sure about three guys would have intercepted it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Peyton is one of the top handful of QBs to ever play the game. Eli is a serviceable quality NFL starter. Anyone who would rather have the ball in Eli's hands at any point in the game is either Eli's wife, a Giants fan, or someone who's listened to way too much shock sports radio. SMMFH.
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Did you watch the Denver/Ravens playoff game last year per chance? I love Peyton but he has sucked on it more than once in the playoffs. Fact.


Another Fact: Eli has 2 last minute game winning SUPER BOWL WINS. That's not just f'ing serviceable.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Well, as it turns out, he did pin it against his helmet. The rest was pure history.
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What happened to putting where only his receiver could catch it as you've mentioned several times? Actually about five people had an opportunity to catch it, his receiver probably having the slimmest of odds. David tyree pulls a miracle out of his ass and that makes Eli clutch.

Someone let terry Bradshaw know he missed his opportunity to trademark captain clutch..also should probably sue Franco Harris. The immaculate reception was all him. Can't believe he was able to fit it in that tight window and have it bounce of those two guys right where only Franco Harris could catch it. UNBELIEVABLE. That terry Bradshaw..gamer.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Did you watch the Denver/Ravens playoff game last year per chance? I love Peyton but he has sucked on it more than once in the playoffs. Fact.


Another Fact: Eli has 2 last minute game winning SUPER BOWL WINS. That's not just f'ing serviceable.
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Eli threw two picks and shat the game away in the very next playoff game he played after the Helmet Catch. Why does that not count? Did Eli not bother to turn it on just yet because it wasn't the Super Bowl? Is that why he also didn't bother to turn it on the next couple years after that so that his team missed the playoffs completely -- does his Extra Ice Man Gear not work until he's actually in the title game?
 
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This is how sports in the ESPN era works. They build a snap narrative about you the first time you're really on the national stage, whether for good or for ill. And then that narrative defines you forever. In the last 9 years, Tom Brady has 1) thrown a gruesome interception that blew his team's chances at three-peating; 2) choked away a huge lead against Indy in the AFCCG; 3) lost to a a hugely underdog wild card team in the Super Bowl with an undefeated season on the line; 4) thrown three interceptions in a horrific first round loss; 5) lost at home again to another wild card team; 6) overthrown a wide open Wes Welker on a certain title-clinching play; and 7) crapped out two more INTs in a terrible game at home in the AFCCG. But the narrative got set 15 years ago that TOM BRADY IS CLUTCH, so that's the way it is forever.

Peyton's huge comeback in the AFCCG against the Patriots -- after throwing a pick six and with his legacy on the line -- is more personally courageous than anything Brady or Eli have ever had to do on a football field, but that doesn't count because the narrative got set early that PEYTON ISN'T CLUTCH.

Almost everything about all of it is crap. Evaluating quarterbacks this way is stupid. Any of you CLUTCH!!!! guys want to sack up and tell me that Terry Bradshaw is one of the three best quarterbacks of all time?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
This is how sports in the ESPN era works. They build a snap narrative about you the first time you're really on the national stage, whether for good or for ill. And then that narrative defines you forever. In the last 9 years, Tom Brady has 1) thrown a gruesome interception that blew his team's chances at three-peating; 2) choked away a huge lead against Indy in the AFCCG; 3) lost to a a hugely underdog wild card team in the Super Bowl with an undefeated season on the line; 4) thrown three interceptions in a horrific first round loss; 5) lost at home again to another wild card team; 6) overthrown a wide open Wes Welker on a certain title-clinching play; and 7) crapped out two more INTs in a terrible game at home in the AFCCG. But the narrative got set 15 years ago that TOM BRADY IS CLUTCH, so that's the way it is forever.

Peyton's huge comeback in the AFCCG against the Patriots -- after throwing a pick six and with his legacy on the line -- is more personally courageous than anything Brady or Eli have ever had to do on a football field, but that doesn't count because the narrative got set early that PEYTON ISN'T CLUTCH.

Almost everything about all of it is crap. Evaluating quarterbacks this way is stupid. Any of you CLUTCH!!!! guys want to sack up and tell me that Terry Bradshaw is one of the three best quarterbacks of all time?
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I'm not old enough to have seen him play. But from what I've heard, he wasnt
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
I'm not old enough to have seen him play. But from what I've heard, he wasnt
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He won four Super Bowls and two Super Bowl MVPs. If his career happened now, in the First Take era, he'd be the clutchest of all clutch guys. Gritty. Icewater. Winner. Etc etc etc.

The reason you haven't heard that he was great is because he wasn't. He was about like Eli, or Joe Flacco, or Ben Rothelseishdashssberger. He was a good QB who can win it for a good team. If Terry Bradshaw had been the best thing on the Steelers they never would have won anything. Just like Eli and the Giants.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
He won four Super Bowls and two Super Bowl MVPs. If his career happened now, in the First Take era, he'd be the clutchest of all clutch guys. Gritty. Icewater. Winner. Etc etc etc.

The reason you haven't heard that he was great is because he wasn't. He was about like Eli, or Joe Flacco, or Ben Rothelseishdashssberger. He was a good QB who can win it for a good team. If Terry Bradshaw had been the best thing on the Steelers they never would have won anything. Just like Eli and the Giants.
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Fair enough. Some guys have it, some dont. Eli does, Romo doesn't. JMO
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Fair enough. Some guys have it, some dont. Eli does, Romo doesn't. JMO
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We talked about this last week in this thread. I think that by and large most athletes that reach the highest level of their sport are able to largely ignore the pressure and approach the physical part of their sport mostly like they always do -- which is, I think, the very definition of clutch. Most pro athletes are clutch. Tony Romo might well be one of the few guys who get to that level but who do think too much about the weight of the moment while they're in the moment, and which makes them F up. He has a long history of screwups with the pressure on, with almost nothing positive on the other side.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
We talked about this last week in this thread. I think that by and large most athletes that reach the highest level of their sport are able to largely ignore the pressure and approach the physical part of their sport mostly like they always do -- which is, I think, the very definition of clutch. Most pro athletes are clutch. Tony Romo might well be one of the few guys who get to that level but who do think too much about the weight of the moment while they're in the moment, and which makes them F up. He has a long history of screwups with the pressure on, with almost nothing positive on the other side.
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I think Bray has some of that Romo quality. He had chances to win the SC game and Georgia game last year, i know the Clowney sack was a great play and he didn't see it coming but it was just one of those plays. I forgot about the Miss St game, was it his mistake or a RB that fumbled? That may be one to add to his resume.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Like I said, do y'all not remember him shaking off a sure sack and putting the damn ball were only the receiver could catch it? Do y'all not remember that he still had to finish the drive with a TD pass to Plax?
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Scotty, that throw was a pure duck dude. It's not like his sideline throw to Mario in the second SB win.
 
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2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
NFL season record for 4th-quarter touchdown passes (15)
NFL season record for game-winning drives (8)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
 
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There are at least two sides to every story. Eli is a good quarterback, one you can win with, and he absolutely kills it at times. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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005 said:
There are at least two sides to every story. Eli is a good quarterback, one you can win with, and he absolutely kills it at times. Nothing wrong with that.
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I'd say that's a pretty accurate assessment. I'd call him a "nice" QB. You're in good shape if your team has him at the helm, but there have always been several others that you'd rather have.
 
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