The Atlanta Schools Cheating Scandal

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MG1968

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this paragraph blows me away

On its face, the investigation tarnishes the 12-year tenure of Superintendent Beverly Hall, who was named US Superintendent of the Year in 2009 largely because of the school system's reported gains – especially in inner-city schools. She has not been directly implicated, but investigators said she likely knew, or should have known, what was going on. In her farewell address to teachers in June, Hall for the first time acknowledged wrongdoing in the district, but blamed other administrators.
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sheesh
 
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I taught at a Cobb County school right near the APS schools..project kids...there is no way to educate them...you can only try to be a therapist. It does not make the cheating ok by a long shot...but there is nothing you can do for inner city kids unless you shut down the projects...no hope.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
I taught at a Cobb County school right near the APS schools..project kids...there is no way to educate them...you can only try to be a therapist. It does not make the cheating ok by a long shot...but there is nothing you can do for inner city kids unless you shut down the projects...no hope.
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I think vouchers would provide some hope... at least for some of them. Public schools cannot teach the type of strict moral constructs that are missing from these kids. Religious, military, and other private schools can.

You cannot get very far just de facto telling a kid that lying or stealing is wrong. Eventually, they ask "Why?" A secular school cannot/will not point to God or a higher authority. In this day and age, they cannot even say that it is wrong because there are proven standards of right and wrong evident in Natural Law. The best they can do is point to threat of human gov't... which these kids see as failing to protect or govern their communities. They might also try to convince kids that it is best for them to obey the rules.... then the kid goes home and sees that the only "successful" people are those breaking the rules.

Moral and ethical instruction is prerequisite to academic education. This is where our public school system has failed and cannot help but failing.
 
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Vouchers would only have a nominal affect. The projects result in children who have been damaged pyschologically. The girls have been sexually abused. The boys are in a violent culture with norms that are highly abusive and unproductive. Vouchers would be more effective with poor non project kids. The APS schools are primarily dealing with project kids. The projects are one of this country's greatest mistakes.
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And the idea that religion in the school would help abused and continually abused is strange. There is plenty of religion in their lives. How about we liberate them from an awful inhumane circumstance.
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Jewbaccah said:
And the idea that religion in the school would help abused and continually abused is strange. There is plenty of religion in their lives. How about we liberate them from an awful inhumane circumstance.
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I think that was the plan.
 
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I will say that it is a near impossibility to undo the damage in 7 hrs a day what they experience in the other 17 hrs regardless the school type.
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JayVols said:
I will say that it is a near impossibility to undo the damage in 7 hrs a day what they experience in the other 17 hrs regardless the school type.
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My wife is a teacher, she can put together a good profile of most parents before ever meeting them, based on the actions of their 5 year olds.
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JTrainDavis said:
My wife is a teacher, she can put together a good profile of most parents before ever meeting them, based on the actions of their 5 year olds.
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I can do the same with high schoolers. When we have parent/teacher conferences, I usually have between 1 and 3 parents show up. Those that do show are 99.9% of the time straight A student's parents. It's discouraging. I try to call, leave messages, leave an evening phone# with kids that aren't doing well. 98% of the time I never get a return call. There's only so much one can do. Very frustrating. Anyone looking for a career? If so, DO NOT go into teaching. If I didn't have so much time invested, I'd get out, but I will keep trying to reach as many kids as possible until I do leave the profession.
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JayVols said:
I can do the same with high schoolers. When we have parent/teacher conferences, I usually have between 1 and 3 parents show up. Those that do show are 99.9% of the time straight A student's parents. It's discouraging. I try to call, leave messages, leave an evening phone# with kids that aren't doing well. 98% of the time I never get a return call. There's only so much one can do. Very frustrating. Anyone luooking for a career? If so, DO NOT go into teaching. If I didn't have so much time invested, I'd get out, but I will keep trying to reach as many kids as possible until I do leave the profession.
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I will tell the kid if there parent does not call me soon it will be a social worker at their door. Works sometimes.
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Jewbaccah said:
I will tell the kid if there parent does not call me soon it will be a social worker at their door. Works sometimes.
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I'll consider it. The problem with that is that our social workers are so sorry, it would end up as an empty threat even if I contacted them. I avoid threats that I am not willing to follow through with or are unenforcable by me. Thanks though.
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4 years...I would not try the strategy on just any kid pick a kid that there is signs of neglect or abuse...I work in a Title 1 school so it is fairly easy. And do follow through if they don't call back. It sucks if your Social Worker is not passionate but I tend to manipulate. I will buddy up with a person like this and get them to do it as a "favor." It sucks but sometimes you have to smile and bear to get people to do their job. I am sure you are aware of these issues. I feel like sometimes we are becoming lazier and lazier as parents and people as each day passes. If you get them to follow through other parent will suddenly call back...it is so funny what a little consequence does.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
4 years...I would not try the strategy on just any kid pick a kid that there is signs of neglect or abuse...I work in a Title 1 school so it is fairly easy. And do follow through if they don't call back. It sucks if your Social Worker is not passionate but I tend to manipulate. I will buddy up with a person like this and get them to do it as a "favor." It sucks but sometimes you have to smile and bear to get people to do their job. I am sure you are aware of these issues. I feel like sometimes we are becoming lazier and lazier as parents and people as each day passes. If you get them to follow through other parent will suddenly call back...it is so funny what a little consequence does.
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You've not been in it long enough to be as jaded as me. I've got 17 years in. If I had 4, I'd leave and do something else.
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JayVols said:
I can do the same with high schoolers. When we have parent/teacher conferences, I usually have between 1 and 3 parents show up. Those that do show are 99.9% of the time straight A student's parents. It's discouraging. I try to call, leave messages, leave an evening phone# with kids that aren't doing well. 98% of the time I never get a return call. There's only so much one can do. Very frustrating. Anyone looking for a career? If so, DO NOT go into teaching. If I didn't have so much time invested, I'd get out, but I will keep trying to reach as many kids as possible until I do leave the profession.
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"How can I reach these keeds?!"
 
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JayVols said:
I can do the same with high schoolers. When we have parent/teacher conferences, I usually have between 1 and 3 parents show up. Those that do show are 99.9% of the time straight A student's parents. It's discouraging. I try to call, leave messages, leave an evening phone# with kids that aren't doing well. 98% of the time I never get a return call. There's only so much one can do. Very frustrating. Anyone looking for a career? If so, DO NOT go into teaching. If I didn't have so much time invested, I'd get out, but I will keep trying to reach as many kids as possible until I do leave the profession.
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my wife says the same thing.
 
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My mother always went to parent-teacher night. It was embarrassing to me then, but now I appreciate it.
 
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