The Bama Advantage

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bamawriter said:
The refs missed BiBs and holds on almost all of UT's returns. And I would say that it's impossible to not hold against Bama's defensive front, but it somehow never gets called so I must be wrong.
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Bama even held Barnett unsuccessfully on the strip sack.

Sad that you refuse to admit the obvious and unnecessary advantage the referees provide.

Hope y'all are paying them well - they earned every penny yesterday.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Bama even held Barnett unsuccessfully on the strip sack.

Sad that you refuse to admit the obvious and unnecessary advantage the referees provide.

Hope y'all are paying them well - they earned every penny yesterday.
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I never once said that Bama didn't commit fouls that were missed.

As for Bama paying the officials: Bama is dead last in the country in opposing penalties. If we're paying, we are getting ripped off.
 
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bamawriter said:
I never once said that Bama didn't commit fouls that were missed.

As for Bama paying the officials: Bama is dead last in the country in opposing penalties. If we're paying, we are getting ripped off.
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The payola is for non-calls.

Surprised you're so slow on the uptake. I guess you're a bonafide bammer after all.
 
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ajvol01 said:
The payola is for non-calls.

Surprised you're so slow on the uptake. I guess you're a bonafide bammer after all.
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We are averaging twice as many penalties as our opponents and more than twice as many yards. Again, if we are paying we are getting no ROI.
 
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bamawriter said:
We are averaging twice as many penalties as our opponents and more than twice as many yards. Again, if we are paying we are getting no ROI.
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If you commit penalties every offensive down and only get called 1 out of 8, it seems to me you've got yourself a nice return on investment.
 
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ajvol01 said:
If you commit penalties every offensive down and only get called 1 out of 8, it seems to me you've got yourself a nice return on investment.
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If our opponents do the same, and only get called 1 out of every 16, then nah.
 
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tidefan1 said:
What flavor of Kool-Aid is that you're drinking?
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Auburn cheats. Alabama cheats. Florida cheats. Ohio State cheats. Tennessee cheats. These are facts. The diffenece is not every team has actual physical connections within the NCAA like Saban does.
 
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ajvol01 said:
You're dense.
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You're biased and grasping at any straw that might even partially justify what happened yesterday. If you watched that game and don't think UT got away with quite a few fouls then you are either delusional or lying to yourself.
 
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What a smart staff does with regard to penalties to to pay attention to what the conference says it will emphasize. Right now the emphasis is on viscous hits. Vicious hits generally occur behind the line of scrimmage or up the field. Therefore, there won't be as many eyes on the linemen and it might be easier to get away with some holds. Not rocket science.
 
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bamawriter said:
You're biased and grasping at any straw that might even partially justify what happened yesterday. If you watched that game and don't think UT got away with quite a few fouls then you are either delusional or lying to yourself.
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Genuinely curious as to your opinion here...If UT and Bama both play in the SECCG, and Bama is undefeated with playoff birth at stake and UT comes in as a 2-loss team, what do you think the chances are that game will be called fairly, especially if it is close and coming down to the wire? Do you think Bama would get the benefit of 50/50 calls?

I suspect your answer here will say a lot about how much of the Bama fanbase is in denial about how real the Bama privilege is in this conference.

And for what its worth, I think even if we paid the officials to call everything our way, we weren't winning this past Saturday. Bama stacked across the board and us being down 13 starters, including our entire offensive line and 2-deep LBs, was too much. We were just trying to finish that game as quickly as possible without anymore attrition. A 100% healthy UT makes that game more competitive.
 
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rjd970 said:
Genuinely curious as to your opinion here...If UT and Bama both play in the SECCG, and Bama is undefeated with playoff birth at stake and UT comes in as a 2-loss team, what do you think the chances are that game will be called fairly, especially if it is close and coming down to the wire? Do you think Bama would get the benefit of 50/50 calls?
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Probably. Though I don't think it's conspiracy driven, because I don't think SEC officials are competent enough to pull off such a conspiracy. I think the "better team" is often given the benefit of the doubt, whether intentionally or not.

But saying that, the 2016 Bama team is currently the exception to that rule: Bama's opponents never seem to commit penalties.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Take Basketball, how does mighty Kentucky get their hands on every Mcdonald All-American known to man?
How much gaming of the system can the wildcats get away with? And why do all those 5 stars keep migrating to North Carolina and Duke? What's going on folks? Ever notice how many 5 stars just keep following Urban Meyer's program around, wherever he goes, year after year, after year? And now, suddenly, Jim Harbaugh is having to beat top recruits off with a stick, doesn't this sound a wee bit fishy?

It's all a gigantic conspiracy, designed to make the downtrodden and hapless fan neurotic and somewhat psychotic. How's that going?
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Color me surprised you didn't include guys like Pete Carroll, or Jim Tressell, or any of the Miami coaches of the early 2000s. The difference between these guys and Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh is latter haven't been caught yet.

Every time....every-single-time....teams get dominant or go on a dynasty run, it turns out after the fact that they were caught cheating. Like I said before it is the height of denial to think otherwise. And I get it, you want to believe that Saban really is that good, and no doubt he is a great coach. But if we are all playing by the same set of rules, this run doesn't happen. It simply doesn't.

If Saban really is this good playing by the same rules everyone else is, then he has truly transcended the game. He's done more than Meyer or Harbaugh so far. He is probably going to shatter the Bear's record. It is what it is. Call this a meltdown, whining, conspiracy theory, or whatever you want. But historically, this run on recruiting and NCs Saban has is a statistical anomaly.

Excuse most reasonable non-Bama fans for being a little skeptical of all this, especially given Bama's history with the NCAA and Saban's connections at the NCAA and SEC front offices.
 
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rjd970 said:
Color me surprised you didn't include guys like Pete Carroll, or Jim Tressell, or any of the Miami coaches of the early 2000s. The difference between these guys and Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh is latter haven't been caught yet.

Every time....every-single-time....teams get dominant or go on a dynasty run, it turns out after the fact that they were caught cheating. Like I said before it is the height of denial to think otherwise. And I get it, you want to believe that Saban really is that good, and no doubt he is a great coach. But if we are all playing by the same set of rules, this run doesn't happen. It simply doesn't.

If Saban really is this good playing by the same rules everyone else is, then he has truly transcended the game. He's done more than Meyer or Harbaugh so far. He is probably going to shatter the Bear's record. It is what it is. Call this a meltdown, whining, conspiracy theory, or whatever you want. But historically, this run on recruiting and NCs Saban has is a statistical anomaly.

Excuse most reasonable non-Bama fans for being a little skeptical of all this, especially given Bama's history with the NCAA and Saban's connections at the NCAA and SEC front offices.
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"The Bear" was on that dynasty run a couple of times in the 60's and 70's and Osborne at Nebraska was considered a dynasty, whatever that ultimately means to each college fan. To me, just domination of a kind you don't normally see.

Something that might get easily overlooked in your speed to blame it on cheating, is the kind of talent that is coming to Tuscaloosa with all those stars. Saban knows football players and the development is amazing in their time at the Capstone. Our 4th quarter program and Scott Cochran's approach to the off-season is unique and many a competitor has drawn on our S&C program as another difference maker. I mention just a few, only because you want to imply something far more sinister. Isn't that convenient?

I can see that the reality, that Tennessee is just not getting it done as an elite football program, may be far too painful to accept either way.
 
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It is a little confusing that NFL access would be a draw for Bama when such a huge percentage of Bama players who do make it to the NFL seem to wash out rapidly. One thing I can state with certainty, nobody goes to Bama because they want to live in Tuscaloosa for 3-4 years.
 
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This thread is crap. Do they cheat? Maybe. But at some point, you just take your hat off in respect and try to emulate the best. And then you beat them.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
"The Bear" was on that dynasty run a couple of times in the 60's and 70's and Osborne at Nebraska was considered a dynasty, whatever that ultimately means to each college fan. To me, just domination of a kind you don't normally see.

Something that might get easily overlooked in your speed to blame it on cheating, is the kind of talent that is coming to Tuscaloosa with all those stars. Saban knows football players and the development is amazing in their time at the Capstone. Our 4th quarter program and Scott Cochran's approach to the off-season is unique and many a competitor has drawn on our S&C program as another difference maker. I mention just a few, only because you want to imply something far more sinister. Isn't that convenient?

I can see that the reality, that Tennessee is just not getting it done as an elite football program, may be far too painful to accept either way.
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Its not just Tennessee is my point. Hell, if Bama is the standard, then Even Meyer at OSU isn't getting it done. At the end of all this, it may even show Bear Bryant didn't get it done. That's the point, this run by Saban is so unprecedented it makes no sense.

I don't expect you, as a Bama fan, to even accept the inkling that something more is going on here. Something more than any other program is doing. I don't expect you to accept that the history and culture at Bama is one of continual cheating. And I don't expect you to think there is any possibility of any of that being tied together.

All I'm saying is Saban is a great coach, and he would be winning championships anyway. But not at this rate, and not with this much dominance if there wasn't something more sinister going on. Flame away, deny, whatever. There is nothing unreasonable or out of the realm of possibility I'm saying here.
 
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bamawriter said:
Probably. Though I don't think it's conspiracy driven, because I don't think SEC officials are competent enough to pull off such a conspiracy. I think the "better team" is often given the benefit of the doubt, whether intentionally or not.

But saying that, the 2016 Bama team is currently the exception to that rule: Bama's opponents never seem to commit penalties.
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Found this interesting, can't really confirm, but seems correct when I think about it:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13137562&postcount=521

VolGee4 said:
I am going to issue a disclaimer on this. I found it posted on an Auburn site this past December. Most of us simply don't have the time to do this research. But here it is:


This was compiled by Stat on TOS. Very Interesting.....

From 2007-2015:

9 years
121 games
8114 offensive snaps

55 holding penalties
37 holding penalties against OL or 1 every 3.3 games.

OL is flagged for holding every 219 snaps.

Alabama had zero holding penalties during 65% of their games.

Only 2 times during 121 games was Alabama flagged for holding while trailing on the scoreboard.

During 78 conference games, their OL was flagged for holding 19 times (1 every 4.1 gms).
During their remaining 43 games, 18 times (1 every 2.4 gms).

Interesting Breakdown:

9 games vs. Auburn ................. 2 holding penalties against OL.
6 games vs. Florida .................. 1
4 games vs. Georgia ................ 0
10 games vs. LSU .................... 3
9 games vs. Tennessee ............ 1
9 games vs. Ole Miss ............... 2

9 games vs. Arkansas .............. 6
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bamawriter said:
While I don't feel like checking that entire list, I know that in SEC play last year, Bama was called for holding 11 times. All 9 of our SEC opponents combined for 1 hold.

Thru 7 games this year, Bama has been called for holding 7 times. All of our opponents have combined for 2.
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How do you know this, do you have a link? It has me curious and I'm trying to find a site with penalties broken down by team.
 
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rjd970 said:
How do you know this, do you have a link? It has me curious and I'm trying to find a site with penalties broken down by team.
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I actually don't know of a site that actually breaks out individual penalties. I keep track by looking at the official play-by-play. Takes longer, but I don't know of a better way to do it.

If you want to look yourself, in my opinion ESPN has the easiest play-by-play to follow because they have drop-down lists for each possession.
 
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