The beginning of the end

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 21, 2005 6:16 PM
Pickens being called a team player? Now that's a first. Carl was one of the original WR divas. As a matter of fact, so was Gault. He was more concerned with being a model than becoming a complete receiver. How many balls did he catch going over the middle at UT or in the NFL. Jim McMahon hated the guy.

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Regardless, be it Gault or Pickens, neither was ever allowed to take over the team, and both were part of the rise of the Vols to prominence which is more than anyone could say about Washington.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 21, 2005 6:14 PM
Kelly Washington was hardly ever healthy.  Don't see how you can make that comparison especially considering that Washington is in a weekly fight for his professional life in Cinci. 

The bigger question is: Why weren't any of those egos managed under RS?

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Look at the Bengals receivers. CJ, Housh, CHenry, TPerry. Washington ran Warrick out of town. Who was Gault's competition, Dennis McKinnon and Ken Margerum?

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 21, 2005 6:20 PM
Regardless, be it Gault or Pickens, neither was ever allowed to take over the team, and both were part of the rise of the Vols to prominence which is more than anyone could say about Washington.

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What prominence did Gault contribute to? The epic 6-5-1 '82 team?

 

[GAVol]

The sad thing is that back in 1982, 6-5-1 wasn't all that bad a year.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 21, 2005 5:20 PM
There's nothing wrong with earrings and mp3 players!!!

Just like people get tatoos, earrings are something that people do for self-expression or whatever.  I personally dont see it as a factor that contributes to a player's focus, or lack thereof.  When I played football in high school, we were allowed to listen to walkmans or cd players (before mp3 players came along) before a game.  Coach told us to do whatever it took for us to be mentally ready ON OUR OWN.  It was their job to prepare us, and it was our job to be mentally ready (not X's and O's, but energy and enthusiasm and focus).

You can take that stuff away for disciplinary actions when players are in need of that sort of thing. 

As for your own personal problems, earrings dont make you have certain actions, you do them yourself.  Remember the saying, "Guns dont kill people, people kill people."???  No offense, but people that blame their actions on things that can't walk and talk and make you high are weak minded and refuse to take responsibilty of their actions.

You can't say I did bad things.  You say I did bad things BECAUSE....  That's excuses.  We aren't dealing with drugs or alcohol, even though I think that is an excuse too.  You are who you are.  You may hide or keep in your true self when in one state of mind, but your actions and true person inside becomes manifested when under the influence of some drug.

Do things like that put a spell on you?  Do you become hypnotized to do bad things because of a metal rod through your ear?

I have my ears pierced, and it doesn't affect my actions.  And what about all the women in the world???
:nono:

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I was just joking around. GEEZ. I swear gonygony, sometimes I think you're here just to argue about nothing. :focus:

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 21, 2005 6:23 PM
What prominence did Gault contribute to? The epic 6-5-1 '82 team?

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Gault had 2,513 total return yards over his career, and was named All American in 82.

Distinguished himself in the NFL, and is one of the receivers often referred to when UT is called wide receiver U. Kelly Washington is a has been that never was.

 

[Low Country Vol]

Kelly washington expemplies what we have been dealing with since 1999. His so proclaimed "the future" says it all.

 

[vol151]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 21, 2005 6:03 PM
Name the last team in either D-I football or men's basketball to win anything with mediocre talent. I'm sure it's more comfortable for a coach to deal with a group of well intentioned also-rans, but those guys don't produce championships.

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How about the Kansas Jayhawks - the only player on that team was Danny Manning - how about Michigan in 2002 - Mateen Cleaves was the only player on that team - How about Nebraska in 94-95 did they have abunch of pimps suiting up for tom osborne - I think not.

You don't have to be a pimp or thug to have talent - go out and find the kids that have talent AND CHARACTER - Hello - take a page from Coach Kryzewski. Do you ever hear about kids at Duke stealing? How about hitting other students??

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by vol151@Nov 21, 2005 8:16 PM
How about the Kansas Jayhawks - the only player on that team was Danny Manning - how about Michigan in 2002 - Mateen Cleaves was the only player on that team - How about Nebraska in 94-95 did they have abunch of pimps suiting up for tom osborne - I think not.

You don't have to be a pimp or thug to have talent - go out and find the kids that have talent AND CHARACTER - Hello - take a page from Coach Kryzewski.  Do you ever hear about kids at Duke stealing? How about hitting other students??

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You had me up until the Duke reference.....

 

[orangetd88]

How do we know there is no discipline in Gibbs Hall? I'm sure the RA's there would not want to hear that.

FYI, Gibbs Hall is no longer the dorm players stay in. The NCAA banned atheletic dorms a few years ago.

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 21, 2005 6:06 PM
We seem to have plenty of team players...on defense.  I don't think it is merely chance that this explosion of offensive individualism occurs when Cut leaves and Sanders takes over.

The real irony of that situation is found in RS supporters cry that he didn't have the players that Cut had.  If that is true, then why in the heck are they so cocky?  Seems to me that the drop off in talent should translate into a drop of attitude as well.  Cutcliff may not have had anything to do with Manning's success, but he surely managed the attitudes of the superstars on his offense.  These offensive coaches have allowed the Clausens to think they have Manning's talent, not to mention allowing receivers like Stallworth and Washington act like the second coming of Willy Gault.

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Stallworth and Washington were a better duo than any of the 90's. They didn't have a Peyton Manning throwing to them. Just lil' ol Casey Clausen, whom I liked very much.

I dont think of myself as pro- RS, but anti-FIRE RS. He was doing an "ok" job, but wasn't the reason of this year's downfall. Cutcliff did a fine job, better than RS. But who is to guarantee that the team's success would have been any better under Cutcliff since 99?

I think the players lately have been cocky because they entered into a successful program, and felt like winning was owed to them because of the legacy built by those before them. I don't think they are as cocky as they were before, now that they are 4-6. They expect the feeling of winning without putting in the work and effort. Plus these guys are pampered and spoiled and treated like they are kings in the recruiting process. Everyone kisses their azzes, and they are constantly reminded of how great they are- before they ever play a snap in the SEC.

If you were treated as such for long enough, you would start to believe that you were a king, and above everything. Why else do you think these guys get in so much trouble?? They expect to be acquitted or have an exception made for them because of WHO they are. they rape girls (if you guys didn't know already), and do many things on campus to other students because they think they are better than everyone else. It's how their egos are built up along the way before they make it to this level.

They are the most popular kids in high school. Their grades dont hardly matter because teachers will pass them just so they can play in the next game. It's a sad reality that hurts these kids.

When they are being recruited, they have HOstesses show them a good time so they can come to UT. They lure them with girls and sex and partying.

Whoa, lemme shut my mouth because I think I am exposing too much truth here. It's not politically correct.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by vol151@Nov 21, 2005 8:16 PM
How about the Kansas Jayhawks - the only player on that team was Danny Manning - how about Michigan in 2002 - Mateen Cleaves was the only player on that team - How about Nebraska in 94-95 did they have abunch of pimps suiting up for tom osborne - I think not.

You don't have to be a pimp or thug to have talent - go out and find the kids that have talent AND CHARACTER - Hello - take a page from Coach Kryzewski.  Do you ever hear about kids at Duke stealing? How about hitting other students??

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Morris Peterson is still in the NBA from that Michigan State team and have you forgotten Lawrence Phillips? How about that wide receiver Osborne allowed to play while he had MURDER charges pending against him? What about Jason and Christian Peter, who got the university sued by sexually assaulting women. Osborne got tired of getting his a$$ kicked by OU, Miami, and FSU. He made the same deal with the devil everyone else who is anything in college athletics makes.

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 22, 2005 9:52 AM
Morris Peterson is still in the NBA from that Michigan State team and have you forgotten Lawrence Phillips? How about that wide receiver Osborne allowed to play while he had MURDER charges pending against him? What about Jason and Christian Peter, who got the university sued by sexually assaulting women. Osborne got tired of getting his a$$ kicked by OU, Miami, and FSU. He made the same deal with the devil everyone else who is anything in college athletics makes.

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When you're winning, nobody says anything. When you lose, it all comes out, and suddenly matters.

Too bad that it's that way, but it's the truth.