The best driver in Nascar.............

#27
#27
jkell24 said:
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone that doesn't like Gordon. Why is it when Tony is half a lap up on the field it's his talent and when Gordon is doing the same it's because of equipment? Yeah, I guess Gordon does lose 84 percent of the time which is better than Tony losing 90 percent of the time. What was the point of that, Jeff still has much better numbers than anyone other than Jimmie Johnson. Oh, and "Jeff Gordon has the best equipment" is also an opinion not a fact. Where were those claims in 2005 when he didn't make the chase and Tony was dominating? That was just two seasons ago not last decade. Roush Racing has the most valuable organization according to Forbes so how is Hendrick any better than them? You are right, there is a lot of credit to be passed around for Gordon's success but the same could be said for Tony Stewart too. It's also just an opinion that LSU is better than Vanderbilt in football but the numbers don't lie. I'll take Jeff Gordon over any other Nascar driver any day of the week opinion or not. Oh, and who would you say is the best current driver and why?
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Wow! A little defensive are we?
You wouldn't expect anything less? Where in my post do I bash Gordon? I complimented the guy saying he is the most successful and among the best drivers in Nascar.
Who is the best driver? I think I went out of my way to say there is now way to really tell;way to many variables. In my opinion and in no particular order Mark Martin,Tony Stewart,Jeff Gordon,and Dale Jr.For all I know Robby Gordon
is the best driver...who knows.
 
#29
#29
McLovin said:
Wow! A little defensive are we?
You wouldn't expect anything less? Where in my post do I bash Gordon? I complimented the guy saying he is the most successful and among the best drivers in Nascar.
Who is the best driver? I think I went out of my way to say there is now way to really tell;way to many variables. In my opinion and in no particular order Mark Martin,Tony Stewart,Jeff Gordon,and Dale Jr.For all I know Robby Gordon
is the best driver...who knows.
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Sorry you took me that way, I probably should have worded that different but I do believe the numbers mean something. Can we agree there is a gap between the most and least talented guy on the track? I do think there is a handful of guys that outperform the rest of the field. Those handful of guys are coveted by the top teams therefore I believe the best drivers land the best equipment. That's why I throw out the equipment and team equation because their skill is what landed that team in the first place. Look at the top tier drivers and they all have good equipment, they all have up and down years with that equipment as Roush has dominated certain years as well as Stewart with Gibbs. I will agree that Hendrick is atop the sport this year but not every year. With that being said I think and you're right, it's just my opinion, and not fact, that Gordon is the best driver. I should have made it clear that it was just an opinion of mine. You make good points too.
 
#30
#30
tidwell said:
What is Gordon's winning percentage since 1999/Stewart's first year?
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I got those numbers from jayski.com so i don't know. I'm sure the gap is closer from 99 since Gordon won a lot between his first win in 93 until Stewart entered Nascar.
 
#31
#31
I try to look at who the best drivers are by what they did in their respective era. I'll only go back to Richard Petty who dominated in his time, obviously. David Pearson could've/and did challenge that dominance. People don't realize that Pearson won his 3 championships by only running the full season five times in his career.

Yarborough won 3 consecutive championships in the late 70s. Waltrip had his run where he dominated in the early 80s. Earnhardt's Era came along in the mid 80s through the mid 90s when Gordon took over. You could argue that the Stewart Era began in 1999. He has won the most championships of anyone since then with two. He hasn't absolutely dominated the competition like Petty, Pearson, Yarborough, Waltrip, Earnhardt, and Gordon did during their peak years.

Thing about Gordon is that he didn't dwindle away when the 'next' guy came along whereas DW put Petty/Pearson/Yarborough in the shade, Earnhardt pushed back DW, and Gordon stopped Earnhardt's run. None of those guys won a championship again after the 'next' guy won their first championship. Gordon could change that this season.
 
#32
#32
jkell24 said:
Sorry you took me that way, I probably should have worded that different but I do believe the numbers mean something. Can we agree there is a gap between the most and least talented guy on the track? I do think there is a handful of guys that outperform the rest of the field. Those handful of guys are coveted by the top teams therefore I believe the best drivers land the best equipment. That's why I throw out the equipment and team equation because their skill is what landed that team in the first place. Look at the top tier drivers and they all have good equipment, they all have up and down years with that equipment as Roush has dominated certain years as well as Stewart with Gibbs. I will agree that Hendrick is atop the sport this year but not every year. With that being said I think and you're right, it's just my opinion, and not fact, that Gordon is the best driver. I should have made it clear that it was just an opinion of mine. You make good points too.
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Agreed! and no doubt Gordon is top tier and if there are better drivers,it ain't by much.They take care of their cars,don't use their stuff up too early in the race,keep their fenders clean,work their way through traffic cleanly,communicate with their crew cheifs to make the right adjustments,control their temper(OK,umm -1 for Tony:))etc.
Hey,Gordon fans and Stewart fans can get along....sometimes,heh,heh.
 
#33
#33
tidwell said:
I try to look at who the best drivers are by what they did in their respective era. I'll only go back to Richard Petty who dominated in his time, obviously. David Pearson could've/and did challenge that dominance. People don't realize that Pearson won his 3 championships by only running the full season five times in his career.

Yarborough won 3 consecutive championships in the late 70s. Waltrip had his run where he dominated in the early 80s. Earnhardt's Era came along in the mid 80s through the mid 90s when Gordon took over. You could argue that the Stewart Era began in 1999. He has won the most championships of anyone since then with two. He hasn't absolutely dominated the competition like Petty, Pearson, Yarborough, Waltrip, Earnhardt, and Gordon did during their peak years.

Thing about Gordon is that he didn't dwindle away when the 'next' guy came along whereas DW put Petty/Pearson/Yarborough in the shade, Earnhardt pushed back DW, and Gordon stopped Earnhardt's run. None of those guys won a championship again after the 'next' guy won their first championship. Gordon could change that this season.
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It is so cool to see some of the 70's racing on Speed channel
(Dale Jr's Back in the Day )when the cars really were modified stock passenger cars.
Good point you make.I could be wrong but those drivers from
Earnhardt back seemed to be a little older.Gordon was the first of the successful young guns we see so much of now.Gordon could have two era's in a way.
A shame Davey Allison was killed.He probably would have been another one.Now they are coming into the sport even younger like Kyle Busch did.
 
#35
#35
Alan Kulwicki and Davey Allison would be in this discussion had they not passed on at such an early age
 
#36
#36
The one tragedy I still think about is Adam Petty and that Richard Petty smile of his. Not so much from the success stanpoint having to drive his family's cars,but he sure would have been a popular driver.
 
#38
#38
Adam Petty is missed for sure. I think he would have been liked by almost everyone like Richard and Kyle are. They are a classy family that represents racing well. Kyle does a lot of good things with charity but he has a real side to him like going after Denny Hamlin. I think he will do very well as an analyst when he gets out of the car for good. Another guy that would have been good was Rob Moroso. He won the Busch series in 1989 at only 20 years old but died in a traffic accident the following year. At the time he was the youngest Nascar champion of any of their series.
 
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