The bible excuse is used as a way to hate gay people

#51
#51
Posted this on the "other" Christian thread. Thought it might be relevant:


Oh, and to be honest, I am a Christian as well. I just subscribe more to the notion that I am flawed and have enough difficulty in taking care of myself to worry too much about others. I also feel that the best way to win others to Christ is to show the love and compassion that Jesus showed to the most vile of sinners. Passing laws, in a sense demonizing, a group is no way to get them to come around to your way of seeing things. I know it may not be an attack on gays, per se in your eyes. But, I assure you, it's seen as an attack by them. Not too many would be willing to listen to the message of Jesus which is peace, love for one another, and forgiveness if they feel like they are witnessing hate, perceived or real. Last night in church the lesson was about not even having the perception of evil- not just don't do evil- because it may be a stumbling block for others. Trying to disenfranchise a group in favor of 'defending' something else is seen as hate in the eyes of many. The perception of hate, which is evil, is a stumbling block for these individuals. There's no way these folks would be open to listening to the position of those that want gay marriage outlawed. As a result, they will see what should be a message of love as a message of hate and condemnation.
 
#52
#52
No, studying the Bible is just reading the Bible. The distinction is, your interpretations of everything written in it must conform to standard Bible Belt understandings of who to hate and how to get into heaven. Otherwise, you are ignorant.
 
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#53
Thrasher865 said:
No, studying the Bible is just reading the Bible. The distinction is, your interpretations of everything written in it must conform to standard Bible Belt understandings of who to hate and how to get into heaven. Otherwise, you are ignorant.
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wtf
 
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#54
therealUT said:
Does "studying the bible" entail that I do so under the guidance of a religious figure who believes that the book is somehow holy? If so, I choose to continue to simply read the bible.
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Is this radically different from your catholic days?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Is this radically different from your catholic days?
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Not radically; Catholics have, for centuries now, insisted that many parts of the Bible, especially much of the Torah, are allegorical. I have just extended that allegory to the entire thing.
 
#56
#56
He set us up to fail. Gave us a brain to think for ourselves but said you must live by these rules.
 
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therealUT said:
Not radically; Catholics have, for centuries now, insisted that many parts of the Bible, especially much of the Torah, are allegorical. I have just extended that allegory to the entire thing.
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After your "enlightenment"?

I dont mean that disrespectfully. :)
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
After your "enlightenment"?

I dont mean that disrespectfully. :)
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I do not take it disrespectfully. I have always had a tough time believing in the magic that was apparently on display 2,000 years ago; then, I reached a point where I think the Bible is more coherent, consistent, and worth more as an allegorical story than as some type of magical history.
 
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therealUT said:
I do not take it disrespectfully. I have always had a tough time believing in the magic that was apparently on display 2,000 years ago; then, I reached a point where I think the Bible is more coherent, consistent, and worth more as an allegorical story than as some type of magical history.
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Similar to Jefferson?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Similar to Jefferson?
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Similar; except Jefferson simply cut out the miraculous parts and appears to have taken the rest as history. I want to keep the miraculous parts, discard all of it as history, and glean what truths come through the symbolism.
 
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