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Wickman said:
Brian Kelly
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Brian Kelly, while completely negligent and should have been fired, was tragic but also nature was involved. He did not have any intent for Declan’s death and completely cooperated with the investigation.

Ray Lewis purposefully misled investigators and was at the scene of a double homicide. It’s insane
 
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zjcvols said:
Ray Lewis (at best!) pled guilty to obstructing justice for the murder of 2 people and is going to be a FBS head football coach in charge of young people

A championship in this country does forgive everything
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Doing it in what was almost the pre-internet era, and definitely in the pre-social media era, helps. He wasn't even suspended by the league for it. Mike Tyson was found guilty of raping a woman and spent almost 3 years in prison for it. Not only does nobody bring it up (I didn't hear it mentioned once during the lead-up to the fight with Jake Paul), I think a lot of people under 40 don't even know about it.

It would not surprise me at all if a lot (most?) of the players Ray Lewis might end up coaching haven't even heard of the story. What is really sad, and also forgotten by many, is that those murders technically went unsolved. His 2 buddies who were actually charged with the murders were acquitted, and nobody else was charged or tried for them.
 
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05_never_again said:
Doing it in what was almost the pre-internet era, and definitely in the pre-social media era, helps. He wasn't even suspended by the league for it. Mike Tyson was found guilty of raping a woman and spent almost 3 years in prison for it. Not only does nobody bring it up (I didn't hear it mentioned once during the lead-up to the fight with Jake Paul), I think a lot of people under 40 don't even know about it.

It would not surprise me at all if a lot (most?) of the players Ray Lewis might end up coaching haven't even heard of the story. What is really sad, and also forgotten by many, is that those murders technically went unsolved. His 2 buddies who were actually charged with the murders were acquitted, and nobody else was charged or tried for them.
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Kind of on the same topic.

I didn't know about Kobes past until after he passed, and it was only because my mom told me why she didn't like him in conversation after the helicopter crash.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Kind of on the same topic.

I didn't know about Kobes past until after he passed, and it was only because my mom told me why she didn't like him in conversation after the helicopter crash.
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Yep. For some reason, the media seemed to fixate more on Kobe's case at the time than Ray Lewis's, and it seemed to follow him around more over the following few years, but towards the end of his career and definitely after he retired he had totally moved past it and was this highly-respected, elder statesman of basketball-type figure. On his current Wiki page, the rape case isn't even mentioned in the introductory paragraphs and is kind of buried deep in the article in a section between his personal life and endorsements. To be fair, the case itself does have its own article, but still.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. For some reason, the media seemed to fixate more on Kobe's case at the time than Ray Lewis's, and it seemed to follow him around more over the following few years, but towards the end of his career and definitely after he retired he had totally moved past it and was this highly-respected, elder statesman of basketball-type figure. On his current Wiki page, the rape case isn't even mentioned in the introductory paragraphs and is kind of buried deep in the article in a section between his personal life and endorsements. To be fair, the case itself does have its own article, but still.
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For sure, but now days he'd been run out of basketball almost.
I definitely don't see the Lakers doing all they have done if that case was made to be a bigger deal.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. For some reason, the media seemed to fixate more on Kobe's case at the time than Ray Lewis's, and it seemed to follow him around more over the following few years, but towards the end of his career and definitely after he retired he had totally moved past it and was this highly-respected, elder statesman of basketball-type figure. On his current Wiki page, the rape case isn't even mentioned in the introductory paragraphs and is kind of buried deep in the article in a section between his personal life and endorsements. To be fair, the case itself does have its own article, but still.
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As soon as Kobe went to the 08 Finals it never got brought up in the media again.
 
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