The Butch Jones/Mike Bajakian Offense

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90 Vol said:
I was thinking that the coaching staff could just put out the word that Worley should be tackled on sight anywhere on campus throughout the week. :)
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Lulz. You posted it. I may have thought it.
 
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Vols4us said:
So - does this mean Butch has to have his style of players on the roster to be a successful head coach? If that is the case, he only has a handful of freshmen that fit that description, with a few others sprinkled in that he might have recruited in previous years. That should tell everybody that they should expect a bad record this season with improvement as each season goes by. Right?

So why do we see a zillion yahoos on here predicting they will beat UGA this weekend? And don't say it's because of the Jack Daniels.

The only way that is going to happen is if Butch and staff adapted more to the players they have on the roster back in August. There hasn't been much evidence that is happening. Not saying it is right or wrong, just stating the way it is.
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What would you like him to do ? The offense is as vanilla as homemade ice cream right now . The QB and the new , hot off the press receiving corps can not execute the offense consistently at it most basic , primordial level.

This is not about style or scheme . We cannot execute short and intermediate passes on a consistent basic. Because of this , we cannot develop a downfield threat and the running gaps are under constant attack. No matter what adaptations , philosophical changes , schematics we put it ...until we can hit the short and mid rangers consistently we will have limited success .

I guess we could run the wing T ..triple option is out ..no full back :p
 
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Does the Article reference DEFENSE at any point ??? I'm sick of hearing about all these offensive "gurus". Said it before and I'll keep saying it... DEFENSE wins in the SEC. Bigger, Badder, Meaner, Stronger, and most importantly FASTER ! Defensive speed is what seperates the SEC from the rest of the Country. We don't put our fastest guys on the O all the time.
 
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majic73 said:
What would you like him to do ? The offense is as vanilla as homemade ice cream right now . The QB and the new , hot off the press receiving corps can not execute the offense consistently at it most basic , primordial level.

This is not about style or scheme . We cannot execute short and intermediate passes on a consistent basic. Because of this , we cannot develop a downfield threat and the running gaps are under constant attack. No matter what adaptations , philosophical changes , schematics we put it ...until we can hit the short and mid rangers consistently we will have limited success .

I guess we could run the wing T ..triple option is out ..no full back :p
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Yes bring on the wing T!!! We can hardly get first downs, what do we have to lose. Hell I bet it works.
 
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Rock33 said:
Does the Article reference DEFENSE at any point ??? I'm sick of hearing about all these offensive "gurus". Said it before and I'll keep saying it... DEFENSE wins in the SEC. Bigger, Badder, Meaner, Stronger, and most importantly FASTER ! Defensive speed is what seperates the SEC from the rest of the Country. We don't put our fastest guys on the O all the time.
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Have you watched SEC football this year? The only team playing Defense is Florida and no one is talking about them winning a NC or even the east.

Yeah its good to have a great defense but you are not going to win in the SEC without at least adequate QB play.

Lets look at the last 8 NC from the SEC and their QB's.

2006- Leak and Tebow
2007- Flynn, playing the NFL
2008- Tebow Playing the NFL
2009- McElroy playing the NFL
2010- Newton Playing NFL
2011- McCarron
2012- McCarron predicted first or second round pick

all had pretty good defenses but more importantly good QB play
 
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Butch Jones said, when he was hired, that he would adjust his scheme to fit the players we have on our roster. That hasn't happened one bit. Worley might be decent in a west coast or pro style offense be he is the exact opposite of what is needed to run the read option. I'm all for Coach Jones succeeding at UT but he obviously isn't adjusting his system at all to fit the players we have on offense. I'm all VOL but this Georgia game is going to be a blow out. We can watch Worley never run on the read option and keep throwing at our receivers feet. 45-17 Georgia...if we even score 17
 
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Blackburn said:
Butch Jones said, when he was hired, that he would adjust his scheme to fit the players we have on our roster. That hasn't happened one bit. Worley might be decent in a west coast or pro style offense be he is the exact opposite of what is needed to run the read option. I'm all for Coach Jones succeeding at UT but he obviously isn't adjusting his system at all to fit the players we have on offense. I'm all VOL but this Georgia game is going to be a blow out. We can watch Worley never run on the read option and keep throwing at our receivers feet. 45-17 Georgia...if we even score 17
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Jone's isnt a pro style or west coast offensive coach. you can't expect him to change his whole philosophy just to accomodate a crappy qb.
 
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He ran twice last Saturday (yes against so ala) but got 13 and 8 yards each I believe. He can run. What bothered me was him not sliding down on the 13 yard gain. We can not afford a shoulder injury from a stand up hard tackle.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Jone's isnt a pro style or west coast offensive coach. you can't expect him to change his whole philosophy just to accomodate a crappy qb.
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There's a sizable amount of West Coast in the offense, specifically the passing game. Lots of curl routes. Read the article, the guy diagrams everything out.
 
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Rock33 said:
Does the Article reference DEFENSE at any point ??? I'm sick of hearing about all these offensive "gurus". Said it before and I'll keep saying it... DEFENSE wins in the SEC. Bigger, Badder, Meaner, Stronger, and most importantly FASTER ! Defensive speed is what seperates the SEC from the rest of the Country. We don't put our fastest guys on the O all the time.
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Not this year.
 
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Blackburn said:
Butch Jones said, when he was hired, that he would adjust his scheme to fit the players we have on our roster. That hasn't happened one bit. Worley might be decent in a west coast or pro style offense be he is the exact opposite of what is needed to run the read option. I'm all for Coach Jones succeeding at UT but he obviously isn't adjusting his system at all to fit the players we have on offense. I'm all VOL but this Georgia game is going to be a blow out. We can watch Worley never run on the read option and keep throwing at our receivers feet. 45-17 Georgia...if we even score 17
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Your last statement proves my reply:

What difference does changing scheme make if Poorley is going to throw it into the ground? If Poorley was accuarate then the offense would look TONS better. It's not the scheme that needs adjusting it's Poorleys accuarcy and decision making in some instances.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Does it discuss an approach to in game adjustments because I did not see it. Then again, I didn't see it on Saturday either.
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I must be in an irritable mood this morning, but what in game adjustments would you have made when we were up by 24 points? And please don't go to the QB that has been discussed ad nauseum. Momentum is a b!tch sometimes and I'm glad we held on to win.:peace2:
 
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So, Butch Jones needs a big, strong guy who can run like LeFevour to run his offense effectively? Then why haven't we recruited anyone even remotely like that?
 
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What's funny is physically at 6'4 235 Worley is the size of Tim Tebow and in reality the closest physically to what he'd be looking for.

Winners win and playmakers make plays a lot of this scheme stuff still comes down to finding a playmaker and making things work for them.
 
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oregonvol said:
So, Butch Jones needs a big, strong guy who can run like LeFevour to run his offense effectively? Then why haven't we recruited anyone even remotely like that?
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I think you'll always see him recruit a QB with a great arm and some wheels. If he's smaller but mobile, so be it. Big Ben doesn't come around every day.
 
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Freak said:
His lack of "keeps" and accuracy issues could be related; he might be a little shy of taking hits.
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My opinion is that this is 100% truth. He has never taken hits. His system and supporting cast was so good in high school he was playing back yard pitch and catch. Like he was playing against air. Then on top of that, some guys are just not mentally built to take hits. That would appear to be the case with him. I think that is hurting his performance much more than 'arm strength issues' or 'lack of mobility issues'.
 
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Worley knows how to run the Jones offense better than any QB we have and even he is a little lost on a lot of plays. He gets us in the wrong play about 30 percent of the time. Peterman was about 70 percent of the time.
 
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DD4ME said:
Worley's issues in this scheme are he's playing timid and indecisive. This scheme is all about reacting. He's probably got more than enough arm strength but not when he's using poor mechanics and rushing to boot. They'll either get him settled down or replace him. Simple as that.
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Absolutely right. That's why I feel the last game was "improvement". He took some chances and threw off his back foot much less. I would rather have mistakes than him not attempt to make a play.

If he cannot learn to play both aggressive and overcome the inherent mistakes... then replace him.

But I think Jones' approach of getting him first to make those "effort" mistakes and then trying to coach him out of them is the right one.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Does it discuss an approach to in game adjustments because I did not see it. Then again, I didn't see it on Saturday either.
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Specifically....what adjustments should have been made? The biggest adjustment to be made, is happening off the field, in recruiting. On the field, everything they do is an adjustment. How far do you think this team is capable of veering from a gameplan? They are obviously having trouble executing the one they practice all week. A veteran team that has been in a particular system for at least 2 years could be expected to radically adjust, but to expect that from a team like this is lunacy.
 
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If you read the article, it describes CBJ's offense as a merger between read option and west coast concepts which is very interesting. So far, it looks like the running game is based on read option with the passing game based on west coast. It looks ugly right now because you need the right qb to be the glue that makes it all fit together. Physically, Worley has the potential to be the guy. I just think he needs to nut up and play some football and he will be fine.
 
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The QB went to call out audibles to the OL and when he got to the right tackle the center snapped the ball to the back... who ran left and lateralled it to the WR... who then chucked it to the QB for a short TD.

Then I think how it's a wonder this team can execute a kneel.

Then I'm reminded that while this team (offense mostly) is terrible, I can keep my head up because it's going to take the entire year-not just a game to get things straightened out couple with some recruiting classes.

Kick some Dawg butt! GBO!
 
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