The case against impeachment

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ETV said:
Implied. We're all well aware of your discontent with DT and whitey.
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Like I said feel free to quote me. Apparently I implied something that you took as a call for Trump's execution. Quote it or go back in your hole.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
So their solution to protect the constitution of the united states from people they believed were destroying it was to stage a violent coup against elected officials performing their duty as required by the constitution of the united states? Interesting strategy
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When the officials are assisting in stealing an election, yes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
While I whole-heartedly believe that Trump bears significant responsibility for the events of the other day, and therefore there is blood on his hands, and while I also think the 25th may need to be invoked to prevent him from doing something even more stupid, in the long term I think it might be a mistake to impeach him.

The problem we have right now is the politics of antagonizing. Its what got Trump elected in the first place as he was a master at it, still is, and it causes people to justify in their own minds doing things they would otherwise be ashamed of. Impeaching Trump would just be antagonizing aimed at he and his supporters. We can argue to the cows come home whether such is morally justified, but it would simply beget more antagonizing by his supporters. The merry go round should stop somewhere and if we have to wait an extra week for that to happen when Trump leaves office, its probably worth it and I think we'd better off.

Have to hope that there are some institutional guardrails in place so he can't order anything foolish domestically or internationally, but if so then a strong case can be made to let this sorry chapter of the country close at noon on January 20.
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Many Democrats, including Pelosi and Schumer, are calling Wednesday's events an insurrection or attempted coup incited by Trump. If they truly believe this, they should immediately begin the impeachment process. Especially if they believe it so strongly that Pelosi felt compelled to call the Joint Chiefs to make sure Trump doesn't start a nuclear war. If they refuse to initiate the impeachment process based on a political calculation, their actions are as bad as what they are accusing Trump of. While I believe the protest escalated much, much further than can be justified or excused, I don't believe it was an insurrection or attempted coup. If it was, it was the most poorly planned and executed insurrection ever. I also, believe Trump incited the protests and is responsible for the reasonably foreseeable consequences, including all that happened in the capitol building. So, Pelosi and Schumer are not initiating impeachment based on a political calculation. Or, they don't believe Trump incited an insurrection, and they are grandstanding. Most likely they are grandstanding and still doing their political calculations. Maybe they believe the Republicans have a wounded tiger by the tail and that an impeachment would make it easier for the Republicans to turn the tiger loose.
 
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lawgator1 said:
While I whole-heartedly believe that Trump bears significant responsibility for the events of the other day, and therefore there is blood on his hands, and while I also think the 25th may need to be invoked to prevent him from doing something even more stupid, in the long term I think it might be a mistake to impeach him.

The problem we have right now is the politics of antagonizing. Its what got Trump elected in the first place as he was a master at it, still is, and it causes people to justify in their own minds doing things they would otherwise be ashamed of. Impeaching Trump would just be antagonizing aimed at he and his supporters. We can argue to the cows come home whether such is morally justified, but it would simply beget more antagonizing by his supporters. The merry go round should stop somewhere and if we have to wait an extra week for that to happen when Trump leaves office, its probably worth it and I think we'd better off.

Have to hope that there are some institutional guardrails in place so he can't order anything foolish domestically or internationally, but if so then a strong case can be made to let this sorry chapter of the country close at noon on January 20.
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Just buy him a few Eastern European hookers for a few days who can flatter by telling him how aroused they are by men in Depends. That should get us to January 20th safely.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I have mixed feelings, but the fact that there are only 12 days left weighs heavily against it. The only practical effect it would have would be to stop him from running again.
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The best way to keep him from running again is to figure out why over 74,000,000 were disgruntled enough to vote for him in the first place and fix it.
 
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Redleg68 said:
The best way to keep him from running again is to figure out why over 74,000,000 were disgruntled enough to vote for him in the first place and fix it.
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Oh it's about to be fixed, just not the way most of conservatives are in agreement with. Legislation to reform election laws and stacking/packing courts in the favor of the democrats are up for discussion and advancement within the chambers. Maybe within the first 100 days.

We'll have to wait and see.
 
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lawgator1 said:
While I whole-heartedly believe that Trump bears significant responsibility for the events of the other day, and therefore there is blood on his hands, and while I also think the 25th may need to be invoked to prevent him from doing something even more stupid, in the long term I think it might be a mistake to impeach him.

The problem we have right now is the politics of antagonizing. Its what got Trump elected in the first place as he was a master at it, still is, and it causes people to justify in their own minds doing things they would otherwise be ashamed of. Impeaching Trump would just be antagonizing aimed at he and his supporters. We can argue to the cows come home whether such is morally justified, but it would simply beget more antagonizing by his supporters. The merry go round should stop somewhere and if we have to wait an extra week for that to happen when Trump leaves office, its probably worth it and I think we'd better off.

Have to hope that there are some institutional guardrails in place so he can't order anything foolish domestically or internationally, but if so then a strong case can be made to let this sorry chapter of the country close at noon on January 20.
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So...

How are you feeling about this now?
 
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ETV said:
Oh it's about to be fixed, just not the way most of conservatives are in agreement with. Legislation to reform election laws and stacking/packing courts in the favor of the democrats are up for discussion and advancement within the chambers. Maybe within the first 100 days.

We'll have to wait and see.
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yep. don't forget about adding Washington DC and PR as states so the democrats will get four more senators and x amount of congressmen.
 
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#65
If I had a say, and I don’t... I wouldn’t waste 1 second of the day giving his name/ fat ass more air time. If he resigns, great, (he will never do it even if it’s what’s best for the country and him).

He can’t tweet anymore anyway. He’s done. He lost, and now he has no value to the people that carried water for him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
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I was meaning this part in particular:

The problem we have right now is the politics of antagonizing. Its what got Trump elected in the first place as he was a master at it, still is, and it causes people to justify in their own minds doing things they would otherwise be ashamed of. Impeaching Trump would just be antagonizing aimed at he and his supporters. We can argue to the cows come home whether such is morally justified, but it would simply beget more antagonizing by his supporters.
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Whole lot of antagonizing going on at the moment.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I was meaning this part in particular:



Whole lot of antagonizing going on at the moment.
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Yes, I agree. That's why I think its a mistake to impeach. As is, Biden needs to sound a note of unity in his inaugural address. Tough to do if your party has just impeached the forerunner a week before.

Assuming the guardrails are up and he can be prevented from doing anything really harmful, best to let him fade out of office.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, I agree. That's why I think its a mistake to impeach. As is, Biden needs to sound a note of unity in his inaugural address. Tough to do if your party has just impeached the forerunner a week before.

Assuming the guardrails are up and he can be prevented from doing anything really harmful, best to let him fade out of office.
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, I agree. That's why I think its a mistake to impeach. As is, Biden needs to sound a note of unity in his inaugural address. Tough to do if your party has just impeached the forerunner a week before.

Assuming the guardrails are up and he can be prevented from doing anything really harmful, best to let him fade out of office.
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Yeah, your party just can't let that go. And as I stated already, Biden very well could have shut this down for "unity."

It ain't happening. He's already said he was glad Trump won't show up. Really good way of showing those 74 million voters how much he cares about reconciliation.

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