The Chattanooga Post Game Report

#26
#26
cncchris33 said:
Perhaps, but Richardson was in the game while it was still in doubt. Seems odd to bring in someone cold off the bench in the 2nd half in a tight game. CCM has had 15 or so games to nail down a rotation.
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Rotations change. Remember also, Maymon fouled out and Hall was a no show.

I'd hate to have a coach have one set rotation, especially if you are struggling.
 
#27
#27
zjcvols said:
Rotations change. Remember also, Maymon fouled out and Hall was a no show.

I'd hate to have a coach have one set rotation, especially if you are struggling.
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While I also believe you must be flexible with rotations, there needs to be a base to work from. You can't just grab the closest guy to you and run him in the game without regard to situation, and change for the sake of change. I don't want a coach to be stubborn and leave guys in that are being ineffective, but that's why you have a rotation of 8-9 guys and work with those guys first and foremost. If game situations arise that force you to work outside of those core players, so be it.

Richardson playing last night had nothing to do with Maymon or Hall as they play the PF and C positions respectively.
 
#28
#28
cncchris33 said:
While I also believe you must be flexible with rotations, there needs to be a base to work from. You can't just grab the closest guy to you and run him in the game without regard to situation, and change for the sake of change. I don't want a coach to be stubborn and leave guys in that are being ineffective, but that's why you have a rotation of 8-9 guys and work with those guys first and foremost. If game situations arise that force you to work outside of those core players, so be it.

Richardson playing last night had nothing to do with Maymon or Hall as they play the PF and C positions respectively.
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And late Martin went to a four guard lineup, and also moved Woolridge to center late in the game.
 
#29
#29
Zo played only 7 guys last night for 10 minutes or more.
Starters
Woolridge 24 and McBee 26
Yemi had 8
Richardson had 6
Washpun had 4
That's pretty close to a 7 man rotation.
Like I said, you'll see the final rotation against Florida.
 
#30
#30
calban said:
Zo played only 7 guys last night for 10 minutes or more.
Starters
Woolridge 24 and McBee 26
Yemi had 8
Richardson had 6
Washpun had 4
That's pretty close to a 7 man rotation.
Like I said, you'll see the final rotation against Florida.
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Yeah, I agree it is getting whittled down more than it has been. However, the Richardson minutes were puzzling considering time and score.
 
#31
#31
cncchris33 said:
Yeah, I agree it is getting whittled down more than it has been. However, the Richardson minutes were puzzling considering time and score.
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The one that really puzzles me is Miller. He must just dog it in practice. Has to be a reason he hasn't gotten the playing time.
 
#32
#32
Miller and Yemi are looked at as one player IMO. One of them will bring it one day and the other the next. I think they are interchangable at this point and both deserve more minutes IMO. Yemi has such a tremendous upside. He will be a great player for us in time. I have no doubts in that
 
#33
#33
cncchris33 said:
Yeah, I agree it is getting whittled down more than it has been. However, the Richardson minutes were puzzling considering time and score.
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I did a little checking and looked at what other teams were doing.
Louisville, Kentucky, Alabama and Florida.
They were all whittling down and playing 9 to 11 players with 7 over 10 minutes.
Donavan only played 8 in the Rutgers loss.
Next game he played 9 with 7 over 10min.

Seems to be the norm.
 
#35
#35
calban said:
I did a little checking and looked at what other teams were doing.
Louisville, Kentucky, Alabama and Florida.
They were all whittling down and playing 9 to 11 players with 7 over 10 minutes.
Donavan only played 8 in the Rutgers loss.
Next game he played 9 with 7 over 10min.

Seems to be the norm.
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Yeah, that's what I'm looking for CCM to do. Get it down to 8-9, maybe 9-10 when Stokes is eligible. Looking for consistency too. I want to see the same 8-9 emerge and separate themselves.
 
#36
#36
I personally think we have just as much to gain from having a bigger rotation than a smaller one. It's not like our bench is being detrimental (sp? stupid iPod has no spell check) to our success. Plus, when if we only played 7 or 8, that means that at least 1 player is either playing 40 mins or switching positions.

Don't get me wrong, there are obvious advantages in a smaller rotation, but I just don't think it's going to make a noticeable difference. Could be wrong though.
 
#37
#37
Chris4Vols22 said:
I personally think we have just as much to gain from having a bigger rotation than a smaller one. It's not like our bench is being detrimental (sp? stupid iPod has no spell check) to our success. Plus, when if we only played 7 or 8, that means that at least 1 player is either playing 40 mins or switching positions.

Don't get me wrong, there are obvious advantages in a smaller rotation, but I just don't think it's going to make a noticeable difference. Could be wrong though.
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I think from a continuity standpoint, it makes a significant difference. It's difficult to get within the flow of the game by playing 10+ people 3-4 minutes at a time. That was a major concern I had with Pearl's wholesale substitution patterns.

I do agree though, our bench is not holding us back from a talent standpoint. There doesn't seem to be a major drop-off when we sub in and out with bench players. I fear though, that speaks to the overall team talent level as a whole more than it speaks favorably of the wealth of talent we have on the bench. Our record would seem to indicate as much.

We just need an upgrade in talent across the board. Hopefully Stokes is the beginning of that.
 
#38
#38
Chris4Vols22 said:
I personally think we have just as much to gain from having a bigger rotation than a smaller one. It's not like our bench is being detrimental (sp? stupid iPod has no spell check) to our success. Plus, when if we only played 7 or 8, that means that at least 1 player is either playing 40 mins or switching positions.

Don't get me wrong, there are obvious advantages in a smaller rotation, but I just don't think it's going to make a noticeable difference. Could be wrong though.
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I think you're right.
I think most of the discussion on rotation comes from Zo saying he played a 7 or 8 man rotation. (Don't quote me)
He doesn't really have the option because he has no depth and only one of his starters had minutes last year to amount to anything.

The more players that get good minutes this year the stronger the bench late in the season and next season.
 
#39
#39
calban said:
I think you're right.
I think most of the discussion on rotation comes from Zo saying he played a 7 or 8 man rotation. (Don't quote me)
He doesn't really have the option because he has no depth and only one of his starters had minutes last year to amount to anything.

The more players that get good minutes this year the stronger the bench late in the season and next season.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. You're right, Zo said 7-8 on a few occasions.
 
#40
#40
cncchris33 said:
I think from a continuity standpoint, it makes a significant difference. It's difficult to get within the flow of the game by playing 10+ people 3-4 minutes at a time. That was a major concern I had with Pearl's wholesale substitution patterns.

I do agree though, our bench is not holding us back from a talent standpoint. There doesn't seem to be a major drop-off when we sub in and out with bench players. I fear though, that speaks to the overall team talent level as a whole more than it speaks favorably of the wealth of talent we have on the bench. Our record would seem to indicate as much.

We just need an upgrade in talent across the board. Hopefully Stokes is the beginning of that.
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Good points. I just disagree with the continuity thing. If there were a bigger difference in talent amongst our bench, I think it would be better to trim the rotation. For right now, I'm fine with our subbing patterns. Beats the hell out of sending in Pearl and McBee at the 19:50 mark of the first half every game.
 
#41
#41
starting 5
Washpun
Mcbee
Richardson
Swiper
Yemi/Miller

10 guys only because they all seem to be capable of bringing something each night.
 
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