The cost of being a fan............

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Journalists with ESPN and the NFL all ran stories of Gruden possibly coaching at UT. WREG-TV, a CBS affiliate in Memphis, reported that Gruden had an offer "in hand". How is any of that the fault of fans or as they are so lovingly called.....OGs? I doubt if CBS gets its info from message boards. Furthermore, when did the Athletic Depts policies and procedures become something that is none of the fans business? Must be when they stopped charging for tickets or maybe when the school declined private donations and federal or state funding. I admit that sometimes we, as fans, have lofty expectations, but is that any different from other fans across the country?
There are some real issues with the university and the Athletic Dept that really hinder this football programs ability to compete for players and coaches. That seems obvious and not even up for discussion. Just look at the downward spiral over the last few yrs. What those problems are remain a mystery and fans deserve to know why their monetary, not to mention emotional, investments are not paying the dividends that are expected. I hope CBJ will stop this runaway train and everyone will support this team going forward. But to accuse the fans of wanting too much is not only absurd, but insulting as well. Fans are the life blood of every team and should never have a ceiling placed on their expectations, unless it is not the goal of the team to be the absolute best at what they do.
 
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Yeah, it's funny when people here go on about our fanbase expecting too much. Have they ever lived in another big college football town? I have. Fans are just as demanding elsewhere. In fact, I'd argue that fans are more demanding elsewhere. I couldn't imagine another fanbase putting up with a miserable failure like Dooley for as long as we did.

The "wanting too much" charge is really silly, because for the past several years, UT fans never get anything they want. Did anyone want Hamilton to hire Dooley? Did anyone want Hart as AD? What about the hires of Cuonzo Martin or Butch Jones? I don't recall many people talking them up before they were hired. But yet, as soon as these people are hired the majority jumps on their bandwagon and starts supporting them. That really doesn't happen most places. I was living in Florida when Zook was hired. There wasn't the kind of support there that Dooley/Martin/Hart/Jones get here. Not even after Zook beat UT and FSU his first year.
 
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I agree. Big programs have high expectations. The fans here have taken it on the chin like never before. UT has been reduced to the level of UK and Vandy. Yet the fans are accused of being unreasonable and expecting too much. How much expectation would be just enough.....but not too much?
 
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Everyone involved with this program should have high expectations. The idea that fans want too much says alot about where our current and previous administrations have placed their efforts. Fans actually have the right to be completely irrational and cant be held accountable for anything they say or do. Employees who receive millions of dollars to do a job are the ones who should be held accountable. Lately, our decision makers are so incompetent that we pay people millions just to go away. If you pay taxes, or buy tickets, or merchandise, or donate to this program in any way, then you have every right to expect more.......alot more. I would be concerned about anyone who doesnt expect more than what has been produced in recent years.
 
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Nothing wrong with high expectations but we have to be realistic about the time it takes to succeed. Way to many posters on this site demand overnight success. It just don`t work that way.
 
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Times like these are just going to make it that much SWEETER when UT is finally back on top. It may not seem like it now, but we WILL be back. Don't lose the faith! VFL!
 
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I ask "how long do most think it will take before this thing turns around"? I don't see improvement until 2015 at the earliest. By then apathy will be at a all-time high. Sad part is that there isn't much we do at this point other than wait it out.
 
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cnyvol said:
I ask "how long do most think it will take before this thing turns around"? I don't see improvement until 2015 at the earliest. By then apathy will be at a all-time high. Sad part is that there isn't much we do at this point other than wait it out.
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I don't think apathy will set in by then so long as CBJ and company keep showing signs of improvement with the team and depending on the recruits they get to be Vols between now and that time. So long as we keep climbing back toward the top step by step each season and not 6-6 seasons till that time and then we go 10-2 in "2015", I think the hope and signs that the team is getting better will keep said apathy at bay from the fanbase. (my thought might be a bit muddled, still not enough coffee in me this morning yet. : )>)
 
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I have never seen any florida fan suggest that they have a right to know how a coaching search was conducted.

Never
 
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Obviously being "involved" in the hiring process is too much of any fan to ask, but the op has some good points.

Too often it seems like the "customers/fans" of the UT athletic department are treated by the current administration with anything from indifference to outright hostility!

Without taxpayers, there is no Government and without fans, there is no AD.

JMO

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Lived in B'ham...those folks complain anytime they dont win 10-12 games...really. The most likely thing that happened with Grude is that he was the obstacle. Its crazy to think Hart or Cheek or anyone else did not "want" him. Last night NBC reported Jerry Jones was in Tampa...possibly he got enough interest from franchises to cause him to lose interest in university's. I dont see him and Jones together, but his "bidding war" has gotten started and we took the first shot. Good luck to Grudes and GBO!
 
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99gator said:
I have never seen any florida fan suggest that they have a right to know how a coaching search was conducted.

Never
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Cool. But you guys have a great AD and haven't had the down period that we have had. You guys go through a few years of this then let us know how you see it.
 
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Imo, this is all about gruden.

People convinced themselves that he wanted to coach Tennessee and spread rumors saying he wanted the job and woud take it.

Now that he isn't the coach, those people look stupid and dishonest and have to place blame someone.

Enter hart and cheek
 
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99gator said:
I have never seen any florida fan suggest that they have a right to know how a coaching search was conducted.

Never
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Maybe its because you spend too much time on VN instead of gatorsRus (not sure the name of it)??

just kidding.
 
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Godfatha said:
I'm not. Just calling him out for being on a high horse.
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Im not on a high horse.

Name another school that has a grudemoniun situation. Cant think of one.

I've seen people want a certain coach and be upset they didn't get him. But, not create rumors he was going to come and demand answers as to why it didnt happen
 
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So when we agree and I KNOW that there are at least 3 people on this thread that are actual boosters and Season ticket holders
We are going to be called instantly Negavols
So easy to say when you don't have to put your money where your mouth is
I know several season ticket holders and we are all saying we just need more time to absorb all of this We are all looking for reasons to believe and Honestly all this CRAP from people doesn NOT help this cause
If we don't find enough reasons to believe and the money is due by March 1 st BELIEVE me when I tell you If the money is not there the AD will FREAK OUT
 
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99gator said:
Im not on a high horse.

Name another school that has a grudemoniun situation. Cant think of one.

I've seen people want a certain coach and be upset they didn't get him. But, not create rumors he was going to come and demand answers as to why it didnt happen
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yeah because UT fans started a forum called grudenville. Good grief you're ridiculous
 
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99gator said:
I have never seen any florida fan suggest that they have a right to know how a coaching search was conducted.

Never
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The reason for this is that you have an AD who demands excellence, knows what he is doing, and isn't afraid to change things when he knows a mistake has been made (e.g. Zook).

On the other hand, our last 2 AD's haven't had a foggy clue on how to handle the football situations.
 
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utvolpj said:
yeah because UT fans started a forum called grudenville. Good grief you're ridiculous
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Is arkansas demanding answers why he isnt there?

I said i've seen people want a certain coach and be upset they didnt get him.

This is different and you know it is
 
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99gator said:
Im not on a high horse.

Name another school that has a grudemoniun situation. Cant think of one.

I've seen people want a certain coach and be upset they didn't get him. But, not create rumors he was going to come and demand answers as to why it didnt happen
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There was a lot more going on than just fan created rumors. NFL guys were talking about it. Stuff was flying all over the place and it wasn't all originating here.

The thing, above all of the Gruden talk, is that fans are wanting to see commitment from this university similar to our rivals when it comes to coaches. Butch Jones may be a great hire when all is said and done, but many are leery of being asked to buy back in.

Again, go through a few losing seasons and then come here preaching about Gator fans tolerance.
 
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99gator said:
Is arkansas demanding answers why he isnt there?

I said i've seen people want a certain coach and be upset they didnt get him.

This is different and you know it is
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it's a few people who bought into a myth and got burned. Pretending this is being done by a large part of the fanbase is just stupid.

I'd say you're better than that but I'd be lying
 
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I tell you waht if every #$#$ quote "Negavol" gives you positive reinforcement where we all say YOU are right
this search was different WILL you PLEASE back up and realize that our current coach and his staff was not at ALL hyped up as a potential coach when we were looking

So maybe just maybe you could realize when looking at this board that alot of the people being called "negavols "
are Boosters and Saeson ticket holders



99gator said:
Is arkansas demanding answers why he isnt there?

I said i've seen people want a certain coach and be upset they didnt get him.

This is different and you know it is
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