The Courts Will Soon Decide If Police Can Sample Your DNA

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utvolpj said:
this isn't about "convicted" criminals
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I would not have a problem with everyone being required to give a DNA sample.

It would be a vital tool for law enforcement.
This could help convict murderers, serial killers, raptist etc off the street.
 
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Gramps said:
I would not have a problem with everyone being required to give a DNA sample.

It would be a vital tool for law enforcement.
This could help convict murderers, serial killers, raptist etc off the street.
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ah the "giving up your rights for the greater good" argument. Not a fan
 
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doesn't the need for a search warrant hinder law enforcement too? I mean, couldn't they catch a lot more murderers, serial killers, raptist etc. if they weren't required to get one?
 
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utvolpj said:
doesn't the need for a search warrant hinder law enforcement too? I mean, couldn't they catch a lot more murderers, serial killers, raptist etc. if they weren't required to get one?
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A search warrant is a different animal than doing a DNA database match from evidence at a crimescene
 
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Gramps said:
A search warrant is a different animal than doing a DNA database match from evidence at a crime scene
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you have the sequence wrong. They have already obtained the DNA sample (evidence) without a warrant before matching it to anything.
 
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I can see both sides. One the one hand, a lot of folks are hard to finger print for a variety of reasons, so the DNA does help track criminals and solve crimes. Plus we already database a lot of personal information for everyone arrested (photo, aliases, addresses, SSN, finger prints, tatoos, religion etc), so what is one more piece of data. Finally, it would be somewhat pointless to exploit the DNA info for much beyond identification--what would be the point if we determined someone had a gene for parkinsons?

On the other hand, it is much easier to drop a bit of DNA into a crime scene than either a finger print or face print. You have a crime you can't solve? Just get a hair from one of your inmates and put it at the scene. Adds a few years to his time and increases your success rate...
 
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utvolpj said:
you have the sequence wrong. They have already obtained the DNA sample (evidence) without a warrant before matching it to anything.
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Why would law enforcement need a search warrant to gather evidence at a crime scene?
 
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utvolpj said:
this isn't about "convicted" criminals
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I understand the OP was about felony arrestees. I am neither a fan of "felony" or "the arrested".

To me, misdemeanors should be on the table for DNA collection. However, they must be convicted; not merely accused or arrested.
 
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utvolpj said:
huh? They need it gather evidence linking an individual to a crime
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I think we are talking about 2 things here.

I am saying the law enforcement does not need a search warrant to gather evidence at a crime scene.

I think you are saying a search warrant is needed to match the evidence to a individual.


If there was a DNA database, I would think it would work like the fingerprint database.
A fingerprint from a crimescene is ran through the database hoping to get a match. This is done without a search warrant.

I would think any DNA collected at a crimescene would be ran through a DNA database in hopes of getting a match. This would be done without a search warrant, same as fingerprints are ran.
 
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Gramps said:
I think we are talking about 2 things here.

I am saying the law enforcement does not need a search warrant to gather evidence at a crime scene.

I think you are saying a search warrant is needed to match the evidence to a individual.


If there was a DNA database, I would think it would work like the fingerprint database.
A fingerprint from a crimescene is ran through the database hoping to get a match. This is done without a search warrant.

I would think any DNA collected at a crimescene would be ran through a DNA database in hopes of getting a match. This would be done without a search warrant, same as fingerprints are ran.
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ok but this thread was initially talking about how they obtain that DNA. You said

I would not have a problem with everyone being required to give a DNA sample.
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which I interpreted as you don't see the need for cause or a warrant to obtain the DNA. Maybe we're just discussing 2 different things :dunno:

I don't think anyone has a problem with them trying to match DNA they found at a crime scene
 
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We're all being cloned. Gov't is creating a moon army. I'm banking on the hypothesis of Multiplicity being correct.
 
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