the Derek Dooley of basketball?

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I'm just curious, would most of the people on here be happy if we got the equivalent of Derek Dooley in the basketball world? Somebody who was an assistant coach on a championship basketball team and who has been a head coach at a smaller college program for a few years but hasn't really won much or beaten any big teams. But someone who seems respectful and clean cut and has a southern accent. Would you be happy with a hire like that?
 
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oregonvol said:
I'm just curious, would most of the people on here be happy if we got the equivalent of Derek Dooley in the basketball world? Somebody who was an assistant coach on a championship basketball team and who has been a head coach at a smaller college program for a few years but hasn't really won much or beaten any big teams. But someone who seems respectful and clean cut and has a southern accent. Would you be happy with a hire like that?
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Dooley still hasn't proven he can win.

So, in my opinion no. I wouldn't.
 
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I think you have to consider the circumstances. In fb, the product on the field had been in decline for years when DD came in. In bball, we went to the elite 8 last year.
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Honestly, with the exception of popularity, I'm not sure that Shaka Smart isn't Derek Dooley. He was an assistant for a national championship coach but doesn't have an extensive resume as a head man. Did at least one thing better than the predecessor (Sweet Sixteen, bowl game), but his winning percentage isn't any better (small sample size).
 
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pl3 said:
I think you have to consider the circumstances. In fb, the product on the field had been in decline for years when DD came in. In bball, we went to the elite 8 last year.
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Ding, ding, ding.
 
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Incipient said:
Honestly, with the exception of popularity, I'm not sure that Shaka Smart isn't Derek Dooley. He was an assistant for a national championship coach but doesn't have an extensive resume as a head man. Did at least one thing better than the predecessor (Sweet Sixteen, bowl game), but his winning percentage isn't any better (small sample size).
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Does he have the southern accent? That seems to be important.
 
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pl3 said:
I think you have to consider the circumstances. In fb, the product on the field had been in decline for years when DD came in. In bball, we went to the elite 8 last year.
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And yet, we're still a football school, with a winning tradition that puts us in the top ten of all time, multiple national championships, and much more money to pay a FB coach.

Incipient said:
Honestly, with the exception of popularity, I'm not sure that Shaka Smart isn't Derek Dooley. He was an assistant for a national championship coach but doesn't have an extensive resume as a head man. Did at least one thing better than the predecessor (Sweet Sixteen, bowl game), but his winning percentage isn't any better (small sample size).
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Has he beaten anyone with a winning record?
 
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Incipient said:
Honestly, with the exception of popularity, I'm not sure that Shaka Smart isn't Derek Dooley. He was an assistant for a national championship coach but doesn't have an extensive resume as a head man. Did at least one thing better than the predecessor (Sweet Sixteen, bowl game), but his winning percentage isn't any better (small sample size).
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he isn't interested in the job, so your point is mute. don't want him either. we can do better.
 
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sdowell said:
he isn't interested in the job, so your point is mute. don't want him either. we can do better.
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I think we can do better as well. He asked for a comparison, I gave a comparison.

Also, my point can speak just fine.
 
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pl3 said:
I think you have to consider the circumstances. In fb, the product on the field had been in decline for years when DD came in. In bball, we went to the elite 8 last year.
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In football, we made the hire at the worst possible time.
 
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Incipient said:
I think we can do better as well. He asked for a comparison, I gave a comparison.

Also, my point can speak just fine.
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I just had a flashback of the movie "clueless".
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Sorry but our next bball coach won't have the luxury of recruiting as Dooley has. UT is and will always be a traditional football school. UT is not a traditional bball powerhouse. Our next coach needs to be highly recognized to keep the flow goin. Dooley has pulled in over 2 top 25 classes due to the UT name our next bbal coach won't unless he is recognized. Others will argue but I guess they haven't watched UT bball the past 20 years or something.
 
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strongtower said:
Sorry but our next bball coach won't have the luxury of recruiting as Dooley has. UT is and will always be a traditional football school. UT is not a traditional bball powerhouse. Our next coach needs to be highly recognized to keep the flow goin. Dooley has pulled in over 2 top 25 classes due to the UT name our next bbal coach won't unless he is recognized. Others will argue but I guess they haven't watched UT bball the past 20 years or something.
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Jerry Green got a McDonald's All-American to sign with UT.
 
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So the op wants a southern White guy who has been a career assistant who hasn't won much as a head coach? No thanks. I don't want another coach who sounds like George Bush. Give us the best coach. Black , White, northern, southern or west coast. All Vol fans don't have southern accents and we don't want a bunch of good ole boy coaches. Dooley is enough.
 
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If Derek Dooley turns out to be the coach most of us HOPE he is it will be a stroke of pure luck. You cannot depend on luck for every hire. At some point there must be a logical decision rather than a decision based on hope.
 
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We don't even know if the Derek Dooley of football is going to be any good yet, so no, I would not be happy. I think UT basketball is capable of making a better hire. Hamilton's hand was forced here, but the result was that Bruce's exit happened early enough to hit the coaching market at a good time, and with a program whose national prominence is at a high level, problems left behind won't be too bad (The 'AA's punishments were worse on Bruce than the program, correct?) and could potentially be worth some serious chips.
 
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If we are looking for a Derek Dooley type, it would be Scott Drew. Recruits for overall character, grades are important, and has the coaching lineage.
 
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Jerry Green and Buzz Peterson all got good recruits. They just failed miserably to coach them up.
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VolfromKingsport said:
If we are looking for a Derek Dooley type, it would be Scott Drew. Recruits for overall character, grades are important, and has the coaching lineage.
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I thought Scott Drew was supposed to be one of the slimey ones. Also, he definitely has more success.

A Dooley type hire has to be someone unproven. That's one of the reasons I floated out Shaka.
 
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Incipient said:
Honestly, with the exception of popularity, I'm not sure that Shaka Smart isn't Derek Dooley. He was an assistant for a national championship coach but doesn't have an extensive resume as a head man. Did at least one thing better than the predecessor (Sweet Sixteen, bowl game), but his winning percentage isn't any better (small sample size).
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Smart 53-20
Dooley 23-27

I'm pretty good at math. I think his winning percentage is MUCH better.
 
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