The Earlier Discussion About Pearl v. Huggs...

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BigPapaVol said:
Dale Brown is generally thought to be an outstanding coach.
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Getting to the Final Four in '86 with the limited roster he had is one of the most impressive accomplishments in tournament coaching history. Brown gets way too much heat for not going deeper into the tournament with the Chris Jackson-Shaq-Stanley Roberts team. They were only together for one year, almost all the players in the rotation were freshmen and sophomores, and the Georgia Tech team that beat them in Knoxville was really, really good.
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hatvol96 said:
Getting to the Final Four in '86 with the limited roster he had is one of the most impressive accomplishments in tournament coaching history. Brown gets way too much heat for not going deeper into the tournament with the Chris Jackson-Shaq-Stanley Roberts team. They were only together for one year, almost all the players in the rotation were freshmen and sophomores, and the Georgia Tech team that beat them in Knoxville was really, really good.
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Getting big heat for losing against good teams in a one and done tournament is senseless. Best of 7 style losses with the best team is a different animal. Repeated early outs is also a different animal.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Repeated early outs is also a different animal.
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In general, I agree. However, some guys are the victims of their own success in that respect. Gene Keady's teams almost always vastly overperformed in the regular season. Then, they would get seeded much higher than their talent warranted and people would rip them when they got beat. That's not fair.
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hatvol96 said:
Getting to the Final Four in '86 with the limited roster he had is one of the most impressive accomplishments in tournament coaching history. Brown gets way too much heat for not going deeper into the tournament with the Chris Jackson-Shaq-Stanley Roberts team. They were only together for one year, almost all the players in the rotation were freshmen and sophomores, and the Georgia Tech team that beat them in Knoxville was really, really good.
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I'll be the first to admit that I'm one of the people that hold the Ga Tech loss against him. My UT bias also shows with my opinion of him running on the floor to protect Shaq. Anyways, I do think the comparison is valid in the promoter and recruiting angle, even if the coaching ability comparison is wrong.
 
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Don DeVoe

NIT championship with VT = Division II championship
Unexpected hot ride out of the gate
Starting to settle out after initial 3-4 years with some good core talent (Lofton/Smith/Smith = Johnson/Ellis/Wood)
Gone after 10 years???? (maybe)
 
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hatvol96 said:
In general, I agree. However, some guys are the victims of their own success in that respect. Gene Keady's teams almost always vastly overperformed in the regular season. Then, they would get seeded much higher than their talent warranted and people would rip them when they got beat. That's not fair.
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You might say that was the case with UT 2 out of the last 3 years.
 
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dickens821 said:
You might say that was the case with UT 2 out of the last 3 years.
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I would certainly agree that was the case Pearl's first season. His second year, they performed exactly as they should have with the draw they had. They were better than Virginia.
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hatvol96 said:
I would certainly agree that was the case Pearl's first season. His second year, they performed exactly as they should have with the draw they had. They were better than Virginia.
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damn right. We were lucky as hell to draw a guard-centric team that needed the 3 as badly as we did.
 
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Did Lefty Driesell ever make a Final Four?

- Had some big success at the mid-major level prior to taking the gig at Maryland.
- Had a lot of bravado and was a big promoter for hoops at Maryland.
- Had some star-studded teams
- Regularly made the tournament
- Also had some serious disciplinary and academic problems with some of his players that led to his fallout at Maryland.

Hell, I don't know. I'm reaching.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I would certainly agree that was the case Pearl's first season. His second year, they performed exactly as they should have with the draw they had. They were better than Virginia.
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I meant last year and year 1, actually. Up until this year (which is funny, really) we haven't had the 'talent' for a 2 seeded team, yet we've gotten two of them.
 
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dickens821 said:
I meant last year and year 1, actually. Up until this year (which is funny, really) we haven't had the 'talent' for a 2 seeded team, yet we've gotten two of them.
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I still don't like the fact that in 6 postseason tournaments (SEC and NCAA), UT under Pearl has yet to outplay it's seed. Hell, we've only played up to our seeding in one out of the six (2007 NCAAs). I am hoping that maybe for once we'll underachieve in the regular season and overachieve in tourney time.
 
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Oldblood said:
I still don't like the fact that in 6 postseason tournaments (SEC and NCAA), UT under Pearl has yet to outplay it's seed. Hell, we've only played up to our seeding in one out of the six (2007 NCAAs). I am hoping that maybe for once we'll underachieve in the regular season and overachieve in tourney time.
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That is possible (1 out of 2 accomplished:p), and would be very nice.
 
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dickens821 said:
I meant last year and year 1, actually. Up until this year (which is funny, really) we haven't had the 'talent' for a 2 seeded team, yet we've gotten two of them.
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Tennessee didn't overperform last year. Their year went pretty much as it should have. Louisville, despite the vast majority of this board trying to tell me different all season, was flat better.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Did Lefty Driesell ever make a Final Four?

- Had some big success at the mid-major level prior to taking the gig at Maryland.
- Had a lot of bravado and was a big promoter for hoops at Maryland.
- Had some star-studded teams
- Regularly made the tournament
- Also had some serious disciplinary and academic problems with some of his players that led to his fallout at Maryland.

Hell, I don't know. I'm reaching.
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Don't shortchange yourself - I think there are some similarities there, esp when BP's career is done.

I'd also add - won a butt-load of games.
 
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TennNC said:
If so, that would mean we get a NC, right?
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Probably not. Valvano caught lightning in a bottle in '83. Still, there are real similarities between Pearl's style and Valvano's. Both were able to take over programs that had been left for dead and resurrect them into semi (and brief) national powerhouses (see NC State's fluke NC vs UT's run to #1). After Valvano's miracle title, it was all down hill for them. When he was finally forced out, the program was on probation and it took years to get it back in good standing. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen with Pearl, but he and JimmyV do seem alike.
 
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