The End of Democracy in America, If you can’t win by the rules then change them!

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OrangeEmpire

OrangeEmpire

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“All shall love me and despair!"

After losing a string of embarrassing votes on the House floor because of procedural maneuvering, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has decided to change the current House Rules to completely shut down the floor to the minority.

The Democratic Leadership is threatening to change the current House Rules regarding the Republican right to the Motion to Recommit or the test of germaneness on the motion to recommit. This would be the first change to the germaneness rule since 1822.

In protest, the House Republicans are going to call procedural motions every half hour.
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That’s right folks the first woman speaker cannot control the House. Which is saying something because the House is fairly easy for the majority to control, unlike the Senate.

So, to keep from losing, our Empress Nancy changes House germaneness rule for the first time in 185 years.

Shame no one will hear about this in the MSM, it would drive their approval numbers even lower.

Thoughts? :thumbsup:
 
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Congress losing to Bush by 4 points? They'll need a 4 point NFL Europe field goal to tie. Damn Dems, always looking to Europe for help.
 
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not going to happen. the GOP finally showed a backbone and Madame Pelosi has to give up on her scheme.
 
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DAVOL said:
higher
And still higher under democratic control than the previous year under republican control.
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And on the decline since they took office. Looks like people are realizing there is no change no matter who you vote for.
 
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Plenty of change. Dems ran on the issue of gas prices being too high, or at least that was one of their issues. Now look at the change, they are higher than ever!!! Good job Dems!!
 
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I think it's worth noting that Congress's low #'s are, in large part, simply an indirect and further indication of how unhappy Americans are with Bush's handling of the Iraq war; in other words, people are pissed at Congress because they have not accomplished what the bulk of voters put them there to do: force an end to the war.
 
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allvol123 said:
Plenty of change. Dems ran on the issue of gas prices being too high, or at least that was one of their issues. Now look at the change, they are higher than ever!!! Good job Dems!!
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blaming the high price of gasoline on Congress is the epitomy of grasping at straws.
 
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sorry if I misunderstood; it sounded like you were kind of being sarcastic, suggesting it is the dems' fault that gas prices have risen even higher since they took control.
 
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I was pointing out it was a silly issue for them to run on since as you admit they have no control over prices. But that didn't prevent them from saying they did or blaming the prez for high gas prices before the last election.
 
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well, all angles were thoroughly covered, I guess, in the "Gass Prices Pass Record" thread, but just to reiterate, I don't see where else you could reasonably direct blame for the high price of gas - other than at Bush and his Iraq fiasco.
 
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All Vol! said:
well, all angles were thoroughly covered, I guess, in the "Gass Prices Pass Record" thread, but just to reiterate, I don't see where else you could reasonably direct blame for the high price of gas - other than at Bush and his Iraq fiasco.
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exactly. supply side is the only issue. demand has been fixed for years
 
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All Vol! said:
I think it's worth noting that Congress's low #'s are, in large part, simply an indirect and further indication of how unhappy Americans are with Bush's handling of the Iraq war; in other words, people are pissed at Congress because they have not accomplished what the bulk of voters put them there to do: force an end to the war.
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can you somehow validate this.
 
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if you require statistical "validation" of this, then your "Denial Is My 2nd Favorite Hobby" button is in the mail.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
strange and pathetic way of saying there isn't any
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strange? touche.
pathetic? classy remark; thanks.

Ok, so maybe I was needlessly sarcastic. I apologize. It may have been more accurate to say the bulk of voters viewed the midterm elections as a referendum on the Iraq war and were seeking change thereof. I felt this was implicit in my remark. To suggest that a strong majority of voters were not sending a message to the Bush camp that his handling of the Iraq war has been unacceptable, is not realistic. An easy majority of democratic candidates ran on anti-war platforms and you're well aware of how the elections turned out. And if you need statistics to back up the assertion that a majority of voters sought change in Iraq in the midterm elections, they're not hard to find. Zogby International is among the most reputable and reliable (and impartial!) polling bodies out there and conducted the polls referenced by the article linked below.

"Exit-polling data from last year's congressional elections support this statement. When asked about troop levels in Iraq, only 17 per cent said "send more" and 21 per cent favored no change. But 55 per cent said they favored withdrawing some or all US troops. Democrats were far more likely than Republicans to favor withdrawal, and the few who favored a troop increase were Republican by three to one."

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All Vol! said:
strange? touche.
pathetic? classy remark; thanks.

Ok, so maybe I was needlessly sarcastic. I apologize. It may have been more accurate to say the bulk of voters viewed the midterm elections as a referendum on the Iraq war and were seeking change thereof. I felt this was implicit in my remark. To suggest that a strong majority of voters were not sending a message to the Bush camp that his handling of the Iraq war has been unacceptable, is not realistic. An easy majority of democratic candidates ran on anti-war platforms and you're well aware of how the elections turned out. And if you need statistics to back up the assertion that a majority of voters sought change in Iraq in the midterm elections, they're not hard to find. Zogby International is among the most reputable and reliable (and impartial!) polling bodies out there and conducted the polls referenced by the article linked below.

"Exit-polling data from last year's congressional elections support this statement. When asked about troop levels in Iraq, only 17 per cent said "send more" and 21 per cent favored no change. But 55 per cent said they favored withdrawing some or all US troops. Democrats were far more likely than Republicans to favor withdrawal, and the few who favored a troop increase were Republican by three to one."

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First and foremost, exit polling data is absolutely worthless. Second, the majority of Americans no more believe in cutting and running than Teddy Roosevelt would. Withdrawing some or all troops as a question to a voter is just stupid. Think about the quality of the question, then remember the fact that it doesn't allow a qualifying response, just a yes or no. Change in the handling of Iraq and lower troop levels, I'll grant you, but leaving a disaster in Iraq, nobody wants.

The real driver in that election was the lack of Republican turnout, which was a referendum on Bush being an incompetent CINC and his utter inability to grasp that his constituents want controls on spending.
 
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Actually voters who call themselves Republicans did turn out. There was no huge drop-off in GOP turnout.

Exit polls are not absolutely worthless. They are good indicators of the mood of the voters. Show me some scientific evidence that backs up your claim that they are worthless.

I hate to tell you this but there is already disaster there. there are already terrorists there. Al Qaeda already has a foothold there. Sectarian warfare is already there. So all of the threats on what will happen if we leave are absolutely worthless. If 160K US forces cannot prop up the security of the country can we rely on staying there with that same number for years HOPING the Iraqis will step up? Because right now all we're relying on is hope. And when you rely on HOPE to win, you have crappy odds to say the least.
 
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