The failure of conservatism and liberalism..

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OrangeEmpire

OrangeEmpire

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Conservatism largely resonates because it speaks to deep-seated beliefs that people should be responsible for the outcomes of their actions. Conservativsm speaks to to the need that people understand to preserve the basic structure of the society in which they live, and this requires that it be protected against foreign enemies from without and criminal elements within. Conservatives win votes because they address the need for order and the need for a common set of values that is required for wide spread social co-operation and cohesion to exist.

Liberalism preys on the idea that people should be free to do as they wish so long as they're actions don't harm or violate the rights of others. Liberalism feeds on the ideas that the institutions and structures that form the basis of our society should be fair, inclusive and just and that people who work hard should be justly compensated both financially and with dignity. It believes that racism, sexism and homophobia are very real evils that result in unjust discrimination against undeserving people. It believes that fairness is a desirable out come. It believes in a number of good ideas that have made our society a kinder and gentler place when tried.

But what both liberals and conservatives fail to do is understand eachother! This is the greatest weakness in both philosophies!

Thoughts?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Conservatism largely resonates because it speaks to deep-seated beliefs that people should be responsible for the outcomes of their actions. Conservativsm speaks to to the need that people understand to preserve the basic structure of the society in which they live, and this requires that it be protected against foreign enemies from without and criminal elements within. Conservatives win votes because they address the need for order and the need for a common set of values that is required for wide spread social co-operation and cohesion to exist.

Liberalism preys on the idea that people should be free to do as they wish so long as they're actions don't harm or violate the rights of others. Liberalism feeds on the ideas that the institutions and structures that form the basis of our society should be fair, inclusive and just and that people who work hard should be justly compensated both financially and with dignity. It believes that racism, sexism and homophobia are very real evils that result in unjust discrimination against undeserving people. It believes that fairness is a desirable out come. It believes in a number of good ideas that have made our society a kinder and gentler place when tried.

But what both liberals and conservatives fail to do is understand eachother! This is the greatest weakness in both philosophies!

Thoughts?
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I believe that people want to have something to believe in and support. In a two-party system, this leaves a divided country. I believe that if people eliminated the extremes they'd find that the majority of the population was only slightly left or right of center -- and had much more common ground than they thought. However, the power of politics to polarize and separate is amazing and it perpetuates issues that aren't as important as some imagine or radical as many believe. I believe there is more than one way to skin a cat and because of that, there isn't only one right answer -- be it liberal or conservative.

In the end, the political process and democracy are good -- but the two party system has become more devisive than it should be.

I also believe many people will disagree with me -- and that's cool, because you can.
 
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in order to survive, liberalism needs conservatism. just like Marx recognized that in order for a Marxist state to be created, a capitalist state must first exist.

it doesn't work the other way, conservatism doesn't need liberalism.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I believe that people want to have something to believe in and support. In a two-party system, this leaves a divided country. I believe that if people eliminated the extremes they'd find that the majority of the population was only slightly left or right of center -- and had much more common ground than they thought. However, the power of politics to polarize and separate is amazing and it perpetuates issues that aren't as important as some imagine or radical as many believe. I believe there is more than one way to skin a cat and because of that, there isn't only one right answer -- be it liberal or conservative.

In the end, the political process and democracy are good -- but the two party system has become more devisive than it should be.

I also believe many people will disagree with me -- and that's cool, because you can.
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Bingo! I completely agree.
 
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MG1968 said:
in order to survive, liberalism needs conservatism. just like Marx recognized that in order for a Marxist state to be created, a capitalist state must first exist.

it doesn't work the other way, conservatism doesn't need liberalism.
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Care to elaborate?
 
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VolByBirth said:
Care to elaborate?
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sure, liberalism, in it's modern state (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) is a parasite. It needs the wealth generated by capitalism to survive since modern liberalsim creates nothing but more government programs. Conservatism gets along with capitalism and doesn't seek to punish success in the form of higher taxes and burdensome regulations.
 
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MG1968 said:
sure, liberalism, in it's modern state (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) is a parasite. It needs the wealth generated by capitalism to survive since modern liberalsim creates nothing but more government programs. Conservatism gets along with capitalism and doesn't seek to punish success in the form of higher taxes and burdensome regulations.
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It's probably not the best economic time to use that argument. With the GLBA the IB's and banking system were opened up and look where that got us. Welcome to the $700B bailout. These bailouts are just deferred tax increases. The money has to come from somewhere.

As for government programs -- you're Republican party has created just as many programs and spent just as many dollars.....they just spend it on different things.
 
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VolByBirth said:
It's probably not the best economic time to use that argument. With the GLBA the IB's and banking system were opened up and look where that got us. Welcome to the $700B bailout. These bailouts are just deferred tax increases. The money has to come from somewhere.

As for government programs -- you're Republican party has created just as many programs and spent just as many dollars.....they just spend it on different things.
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I'm not defending the republican party, merely pointing out why conservatism is superior to liberalism.
 
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Probably the least bad decision we could make given the circumstances. We were already going to be screwed; just needed to determine the best way to take it.
 
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Simply subscribing to any one school of thought is dangerous (not saying you are, MG. Just making a general statement).
 
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nickknx865 said:
I'll give her that. She does have the ability to draw crowds, sort of like Obama.

But the problem with Sarah Palin is that she's kinda like every girl I've dated in HS. Yea, she looks good and all, but when it comes down to it, she really ain't about anything.
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maybe the problem is with you and not the girl.
 
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VolByBirth said:
It's probably not the best economic time to use that argument. With the GLBA the IB's and banking system were opened up and look where that got us. Welcome to the $700B bailout. These bailouts are just deferred tax increases. The money has to come from somewhere.

As for government programs -- you're Republican party has created just as many programs and spent just as many dollars.....they just spend it on different things.
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didn't mccain warn us in 2005 about the freddy and fannie. and guess who stopped his legislation for reform???? it was the dem leadership, with a hand full of republicans.

i agree that this last republican majority with the president did start a lot of programs. that's why they were kicked out of office, they tried to be democrats.
 
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joevol320 said:
didn't mccain warn us in 2005 about the freddy and fannie. and guess who stopped his legislation for reform???? it was the dem leadership, with a hand full of republicans.

i agree that this last republican majority with the president did start a lot of programs. that's why they were kicked out of office, they tried to be democrats.
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You know, I could have sworn that the Republicans were in control in 2005, but I must be crazy.
 
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