The future definition of a successful season

#51
#51
lawgator1 said:
Too easy for the South Carolinas, Miamis, and TCUs of the world to cobble together a competitive team for exactly one year.
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And much, MUCH, easier for the Floridas, LSUs, and Tennessees to rebound from bad years by just throwing money at it. Which is what some people wanted - the ability to openly buy players for their team without any repercussions. Being told they couldn't do that ate away at them for decades. Well, now they've got it how they want it, and with it will come a quickened pace of success, failure, rise, and fall. But hey, that's what they wanted. The ability to quickly buy their way out of the hole. Except that the next guy's always got money too. So "being on the way up" means much, much less than it once did. Easy come, easy go. Oh well.
 
#52
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vol_in_ga said:
We don’t want to be common! We want to win at will! Spend the money, and the time and effort, and chase greatness, not common success.
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If the best to do it aren't averaging more than that, why would I put unrealistic expectations on Heupel? I'm not saying to just win 9 games. Obviously I want championships mixed in that as well but there are going to probably be some down years. I think next year will be one for example. I'll be pissed about it but as long as there are years where we win championships, then I can't say I'd fire him unless it got to the point where there were a few of down/mediocre years in succession. I think we can become a dominant team but a lot of things have to happen in our favor.
 
#54
#54
lawgator1 said:
A 70 pct win rate is nice but I just don't think should be the goal. It all going to be measure by appearances and success in the playoffs.

If you win 8 or 9 games every season but don't make the playoffs on any regular basis I just would not consider that successful.
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It got Mark Richt fired.
 
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Voltopia said:
Oh I completely agree, it more or less sucks. I despise most of the changes. But I think, most of all, I resent how much everyone involved takes the fans and the collegiate spirit of the game for granted. But we live in a society of immediate gratification and casual engagement, and the schools failed to protect the sport. Worse, many of them fell over themselves to sell out.

I suggest you view it as I view it. Don't let it get you down. It's human nature to not value the things we have in hand. And for a while there, college football was damn near perfect. Whatever's left of that, I'm going to enjoy it while I can. I'm going to find moments I can appreciate while they're still there. But I'm also not going to invest in it like I once did.

In that spirit? If my team is consistently winning 10 or more games a year, then that's cool. That's success. Go Vols. I'll be glad to see it. And the rest can jog on.
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Great take. The sooner folks come to grips with the new reality of “college” football the better off they’ll be.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In 2024, the 12 team playoff system kicks in. I think this is going to marginalize even more bowl games than the current playoff system does, and we already see that a lot of teams kind of in our similar situation don't really perform much in the non playoff bowl games.

I put us in the same boat for purposes of this discussion in the sense that we are both looking up at UGA.

So in 5 to 10 years, what will be the definition of a successful team or program be?

I think second in the SECe will often get a team into the playoff. As a Gator fan, my own definition of a successful program would be getting into the playoff 3 times over every 7 year period, winning it all at least once every 15 years.

I think that is a reasonable standard to consider my program on the right path. Curious as to the VN definition for the Vols.
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I think you’ll always have the elite teams but kinda like basketball, yes, I think a playoff appearance will be considered a successful year. And I think it allows teams to recruit to that and build…where it’s been a closed 4 team club the last several years
 
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lawgator1 said:
Did not want to turn this into a comparison of the two but you cannot be serious if looking at this over a 5 year horizon.

This year you finished 2nd, we finished 4th.

2021 you finished 3rd, we finished 6th.

2020 we won the SEC East, you finished 5th.

2019 we were 2nd, you were 3rd.

2018 we finished tied for 2nd, you were 6th.

Trying to claim you have some sort of permanent status locked in as # 2 in the East is just wrong. And as I say I think with the portal and NIL its going to be harder and harder, unless you have the sustained success of a UGA, tOSU, or Alabama, to keep up that pace. Too easy for the South Carolinas, Miamis, and TCUs of the world to cobble together a competitive team for exactly one year.
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Who said I had to look at it as a year horizon? 5 yrs ago is a lifetime considering where Tenn was. As of today, UT is on the upswing and UF is struggling to find itself
 
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#61
lawgator1 said:
As of today...

Grow up
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As of today Tennessee beat 3 out of the last 4 national champions. We're only looking up at Georgia. You're looking up at Kentucky. Your backup QB looked like crap in your Bowl game. Ours had observers drooling
 
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Sea Ray said:
As of today Tennessee beat 3 out of the last 4 national champions. We're only looking up at Georgia. You're looking up at Kentucky. Your backup QB looked like crap in your Bowl game. Ours had observers drooling
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Don't forget Vanderbilt and whoever it was they lost to in the last bowl game.
 
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