The Grateful Dead are way overrated

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Roustabout said:
Not a Dead fan, but got recruited to play bass to do a Dead set. Appreciate their music and was impressed with Phil Lesh's work, but they are as loose as they come.[/QUOTE}

Always been a big fan. Ive always enjoyed the blues, and, despite that not being their go to, it def seems they covered their fair share of old blues riffs through the years...

The Grateful Dead had distinct phases. Some were better than others. Honestly 'The Warlocks' sound was more akin to Rolling Stones than The Dead. Back in the 60's, and, to the 70's (based solely on bootlegged copies of music, as i will not pretend to have been there 👍), they seemed less apt to go into their musical 'space', a dreamy :30-:45 drum and guitar experiment that lent itself to your labels of drug music.

Personally, ive always enjoyed their music. there really isnt a song that I dont enjoy. The band had some pretty tenured and well respected musicians. But it isnt for everyone. There are other bands of the day who's music I go to quicker these days, because theyre faster. The Hendrix 'Blues' album for instance is a mainstay...but The Dead will always be my fav.

And Jerry was the bluegrass musician. Each Member, with the exception of Bill Kreutzman had solo projects. Jerry Garcia Band, Ratdog, and Music Box are a few. Jerry used to invited bluegrass musicians to his house and jam. Thats how Old and In the Way started. In the bluegrass world that's an allstar cast. You may not like the music. But some darn talented musicians.
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jackcrevol said:
And Jerry was the bluegrass musician. Each Member, with the exception of Bill Kreutzman had solo projects. Jerry Garcia Band, Ratdog, and Music Box are a few. Jerry used to invited bluegrass musicians to his house and jam. Thats how Old and In the Way started. In the bluegrass world that's an allstar cast. You may not like the music. But some darn talented musicians.
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Easily the best thing the Dead were ever involved/associated with.
 
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golfballs said:
When I think of Jimmy Buffet I envision overweight Ohioans wearing socks with sandals on vacation
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I'm still of the opinion that Buffet has some amazing songs, especially from a writing and lyrical standpoint. Unfortunately nobody has ever heard of them because middle aged people want to get hammered and hear Cheeseburger in Paradise for the 7,423rd time.
 
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NochNoch said:
I'm still of the opinion that Buffet has some amazing songs, especially from a writing and lyrical standpoint. Unfortunately nobody has ever heard of them because middle aged people want to get hammered and hear Cheeseburger in Paradise for the 7,423rd time.
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I totally agree. His songs that have a more country/western feel to them are great. Come Monday. He Went to Paris. Etc.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I totally agree. His songs that have a more country/western feel to them are great. Come Monday. He Went to Paris. Etc.
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And even of the "fun" songs people still gravitate towards the crap. I'd rather listen to "Great Filling Station Hold Up" or "My Head Hurts" a million times over before hearing Margaritaville ever again.
 
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And the bast bands don't always put on the best shows. I have been to many many concerts and seen some great musicians. The best performance I have ever been to believe it or not was the Steve miller band at park City utah. Its a natural amphitheater lime I hear red rocks is.in colorado, with huge arching cliffs all behind the audience that reflect all the sound back towards the stage. They played like 6 3ncores because the crowd kept cheering after they were finished with their set. About 30.extra..minutes with a couple of jam sessions.joker ,wild mountain honey,take 5he money and run,come on and dance ETC...there are many bands mo43.talented and successful but that night they were amazing. The guy and his lady in front of us smoked about a dozen joints consecutively, m3 my dad and my step mom were all high just from breathing 2nd hand.swear o my life..I was like 14..my dad was a lt. Colonel at the time. Lol.
 
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NochNoch said:
And even of the "fun" songs people still gravitate towards the crap. I'd rather listen to "Great Filling Station Hold Up" or "My Head Hurts" a million times over before hearing Margaritaville ever again.
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God's Own Drunk and Peanut Butter Conspiracy are also better fun songs that aren't known.

Tin Cup Chalice
I have found me a home
African friend
Lonely palm
Livingston's gone to Texas
Defying Gravity
Survive
Little Miss Magic

And so many more

The Parrothead stuff especially the crowds are annoying, but Jimmy Buffet has a vast collection of amazing songs.
 
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I'm take it or leave it with the Grateful Dead. I do not understand the insanely fervent following of them or (Phish or Widespread Panic). I simply prefer too many different kinds of music to devote that much attention and money to one or two bands.
 
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I listened and bought a lot of 60's music and never had a Grateful Dead album in my collection, not even a 45 record. They seemed like a band that didn't get a lot of radio air play, but would have standing room only concerts. I always thought they were more of a cult attraction. The Bill Walton's of the world liked their stuff. For me I preferred Hendrix, Led Zep, Grand Funk, etc. Maybe it boils down to a personal choice. Some people really like Bob Dylan, but I never thought he could sing, some people really like Janis Joplin, but I never thought of her as a great singer. But they both went on to become iconic musicians.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm take it or leave it with the Grateful Dead. I do not understand the insanely fervent following of them or (Phish or Widespread Panic). I simply prefer too many different kinds of music to devote that much attention and money to one or two bands.
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Agreed. I dig jam band music like a dig country music; drunk and in small doses.

Regarding the Dead - Uncle John's Band, Mexicali Blues, Casey Jones, and Sugar Magnolia are all fine cuts.
 
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volfanbill said:
God's Own Drunk and Peanut Butter Conspiracy are also better fun songs that aren't known.

Tin Cup Chalice
I have found me a home
African friend
Lonely palm
Livingston's gone to Texas
Defying Gravity
Survive
Little Miss Magic

And so many more

The Parrothead stuff especially the crowds are annoying, but Jimmy Buffet has a vast collection of amazing songs.
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Tin Cup Chalice is my favorite JB song
 
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SlyStone said:
I listened and bought a lot of 60's music and never had a Grateful Dead album in my collection, not even a 45 record. They seemed like a band that didn't get a lot of radio air play, but would have standing room only concerts. I always thought they were more of a cult attraction. The Bill Walton's of the world liked their stuff. For me I preferred Hendrix, Led Zep, Grand Funk, etc. Maybe it boils down to a personal choice. Some people really like Bob Dylan, but I never thought he could sing, some people really like Janis Joplin, but I never thought of her as a great singer. But they both went on to become iconic musicians.
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Janis was girlfriend of org founding member of the dead. Ron Mckernan aka Pigpen. He was lead/co-vocalist with Jerry before his death. Damn shame. Some of my favorite dead songs were late '60s heavy blues influenced, percussive songs with harmonica. Before the dual-drum guitar laiden 4 hour LSD shows (post acide test).

There will always be a place for Zep, Dylan, all of them. Hell, Dylan wrote one of Hendrix most famous tunes.
 
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SWIL said:
Agreed. I dig jam band music like a dig country music; drunk and in small doses.

Regarding the Dead - Uncle John's Band, Mexicali Blues, Casey Jones, and Sugar Magnolia are all fine cuts.
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Ironically covered by Jimmy Buffett
 
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jackcrevol said:
Roustabout said:
Not a Dead fan, but got recruited to play bass to do a Dead set. Appreciate their music and was impressed with Phil Lesh's work, but they are as loose as they come.[/QUOTE}

Always been a big fan. Ive always enjoyed the blues, and, despite that not being their go to, it def seems they covered their fair share of old blues riffs through the years...

The Grateful Dead had distinct phases. Some were better than others. Honestly 'The Warlocks' sound was more akin to Rolling Stones than The Dead. Back in the 60's, and, to the 70's (based solely on bootlegged copies of music, as i will not pretend to have been there 👍), they seemed less apt to go into their musical 'space', a dreamy :30-:45 drum and guitar experiment that lent itself to your labels of drug music.

Personally, ive always enjoyed their music. there really isnt a song that I dont enjoy. The band had some pretty tenured and well respected musicians. But it isnt for everyone. There are other bands of the day who's music I go to quicker these days, because theyre faster. The Hendrix 'Blues' album for instance is a mainstay...but The Dead will always be my fav.

And Jerry was the bluegrass musician. Each Member, with the exception of Bill Kreutzman had solo projects. Jerry Garcia Band, Ratdog, and Music Box are a few. Jerry used to invited bluegrass musicians to his house and jam. Thats how Old and In the Way started. In the bluegrass world that's an allstar cast. You may not like the music. But some darn talented musicians.
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Covered a Ratdog song, 'Jump for Joy.'
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SWIL said:
OP- not as overrated as Jimmy Buffet.
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Buffets music is simple and his concerts are more about the experience. I don't think most "Parrotf Heads" sit around all day listening to him but it's not bad chilling by the pool making margaritas
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
And the bast bands don't always put on the best shows. I have been to many many concerts and seen some great musicians. The best performance I have ever been to believe it or not was the Steve miller band at park City utah. Its a natural amphitheater lime I hear red rocks is.in colorado, with huge arching cliffs all behind the audience that reflect all the sound back towards the stage. They played like 6 3ncores because the crowd kept cheering after they were finished with their set. About 30.extra..minutes with a couple of jam sessions.joker ,wild mountain honey,take 5he money and run,come on and dance ETC...there are many bands mo43.talented and successful but that night they were amazing. The guy and his lady in front of us smoked about a dozen joints consecutively, m3 my dad and my step mom were all high just from breathing 2nd hand.swear o my life..I was like 14..my dad was a lt. Colonel at the time. Lol.
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I'm seeing Steve Miller Band this Saturday...he's up there in age but I'm really looking forward to it
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Buffets music is simple and his concerts are more about the experience. I don't think most "Parrotf Heads" sit around all day listening to him but it's not bad chilling by the pool making margaritas
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I can listen to the non Parrott Head stuff all day. In fact, I did yesterday. I disagree that all his stuff is simple. I think if you haven't listened to the non parrot head stuff there be a disclaimer stating such
 
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volinbham said:
I'm take it or leave it with the Grateful Dead. I do not understand the insanely fervent following of them or (Phish or Widespread Panic). I simply prefer too many different kinds of music to devote that much attention and money to one or two bands.
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yeah, I ask myself that same question every time I buy tickets to see one of those acts but never in the immediate aftermath of a show.

As for damn, being a southeasterner I saw my share of Spring Tour shows in the day and I'd agree that the atmosphere inside and outside the venue was more of a draw for me than the music, especially with the tin can acoustics of the old Omni in ATL.
 
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