The Ground Zero mosque is a bad idea and shouldn't be permitted.

[BeecherVol]

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[gsvol]

Giuliani about Rauf and the gz mosque:

"There's the good imam and the bad imam," Giuliani charged on NBC's "Meet the Press," referring to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

"The good imam is about reconciliation. He's about being open and transparent about what he's doing and how he's doing it," said Giuliani, who opposes building the mosque near Ground Zero.

"Then there's the bad imam who said America is an accessory to Sept. 11. America has more Muslim blood on its hands than vice versa. He can't condemn Hamas as a terrorist group.

"And he will not be transparent about where he's getting the money, how he's getting the money. ...And now we have the imam who tells us if [he] doesn't get his way there could be significant and very dangerous violence."

Giuliani implied such language carries "a suggestion of a threat."
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Just before kickoff of the Giants-Panthers football game, workers from the nearby Dakota Roadhouse bar taped signs near the two closed intersections: "Dakota Roadhouse Is Open! Just ask a cop to cross the barricade."

Some questions;

Who is backing Rauf financially and who has been for the past twenty years??

Where exactly did he get the credentials to call himself an imam in the first place??

 

[gsvol]

Polling done by Family Security Group back in 2008 indicated that only 3% of Americans were even aware of the term Shariah—and an even smaller percentage actually knew what it was.

Shariah, often referred to as “Islamic Law,” is in actuality a legal doctrine based on the Quran and Hadiths (sayings and acts of Mohammed), but one which goes far beyond what Westerners would regard as religious matters or routine legal matters.

 

[VolBurgers]

Mass murder and terroism are exoteric?? Do tell!

Mass murder? How is this for mass murder?
Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Terrorism? Yep. Right in our own backyard.
Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson - CBS News

 

[gsvol]

Mass murder? How is this for mass murder?
Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compared to the ten million Christians slain in the name of islamic jihad during the twentieth century the inquisition is merely a footnote in history!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
- Manuel II Palelologus

From Obamama's Cairo Speech:

"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition."

Which ofcourse is a load of crap because anyone that does a real study of the history of Islamic occupation of the Iberian peninsula during that time knows full well that there was no tolerance by its Islamic rulers against the other religions. It was slavery and pay the jizya tax, or convert.

First a little history of why the muslims conquered Spain:

By 710AD, Jews and Christians had been in the Iberian peninsula for a few hundred years and the Visigoth king Rodrigo ruled from the capital Toledo.

Emir Musa ruled North Africa from Kairouan in Tunisia. He saw that Spain was ripe for plunder with great financial wealth, and beautiful girls aplenty for the Harems in Kairouan and Damascus.

Musa then received permission from the Caliph Walid who ruled from Damascus, and then chose Tariq, a Berber, who was a former Algerian slave, but now a fierce warrior and a recent convert to Islam, to lead his army. They sent a small force of a few hundred men on a raid, and when they returned loaded with riches and pretty girls, Musa was much impressed. So the invasion of Al-Andalus (valley of Vandals) was not so much about converting the infidel to Islam, but the focus was on booty, women and slaves to be delivered back to Damascus.

The first major battle was against the Visigoth king Rodrigo, and took place near the river Rio Barbate, which is in the Xeres district, now famous for its sherry.

Rodrigo and his army was no match for the fierce Berbers and were easily defeated, with casualties in the tens of thousands. Rodrigo himself is believed to have drowned in the river attempting to escape. His horse, robes and diadem were found on the river bank.

On the way Cordoba was captured, and Toledo was easily taken. The booty was fabulous and included a gold and emerald table from the Temple of Solomon.

Musa returned to Damascus with tons of booty, Visigoth dignitaries as prisoners and 3,000 Spanish virgins.

From 756AD to 1031AD, there was a series of Islamic leaders of Cordoba (Umayyads of Cordoba). Some of their highlights include:

Hisham I (788-796) called for Holy War against Asturias and France, and assembled 100,000 warriors from even Syria, Arabia and Algeria, and attacked Narbonne and Carcassone and won enough booty to fund a new mosque in Cordoba.

Al-Hakam (796-822) became known for the “Day of the Ditch” where he beheaded 5,000 converts to Islam in Toledo on suspicion of treachery.

Almanzor (967-1002) He beheaded 4,000 Christians after taking Zamora. He won the battle near Simancus and again beheaded about 4,000 Christians. Almanzor also razed the Christian shrine city of Santiago de Compostela which was to the Christians like the Kaaba was to the Muslims.

Conversion to Islam was encouraged by the Ummayad caliphs and Emirs of Córdoba. Many Christians converted to Islam to avoid the Jizya tax which they were subjected to as Dhimmis. Apostasy, however, for one who had been raised as a Muslim or had embraced Islam, was a crime punishable by death.

From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims' acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws. Non-Muslims were also not allowed to build any new places of worship.

In Al-Andalus, the large numbers of Christians adopting Islam to escape the Jizya tax and treatment of Dhimmitude prompted concern among the authorities about the weakening of the tax base and further inflamed resentment towards the Muwallads.

The Muwallads were in almost constant revolts against the Arab and Berber immigrants who had carved out large estates for themselves, farmed by Christian slaves.

In 1011, there was a massacre of Jews in Cordoba: which was followed by other slaughters in other parts of Al Andalus, notably in Granada in 1066. The famous Jewish scholar, Maimonides originally lived in Cordoba in the early 12th century, until the Almohades dynasty took the city, and threatened to kill any Jews who did not leave or convert to Islam. Maimonides’ family relocated to the more tolerant university city of Fes, in Morocco.

The Berbers, who held strictly to Islamic teachings, terrorised and looted Cordoba until the city fell and the Umayyad dynasty came to an end in 1031AD.

When Toledo was recaptured in 1085AD, and Seville had become the centre of Moorish culture, they sought help from North Africa. However the Almoravids were horrified when they entered Seville and noticed Jews and Christians trading freely in the markets, selling musical instruments and wine. A Fatwa was obtained and the Almoravids gained control of all Muslim lands and even taking back Valencia from the Christians.

This was followed by the even stricter Almohads who in turn fought and defeated the Almoravids in bloody Jihad.

But eventually the Reconquista proved unstoppable and soon only the southern Taifa of Granada was left in Muslim hands.

Eventually Ferdinand and Isabella forced Mohammed XII (Boabdil) to surrender and he even gave them the keys to the palace before fleeing to Fez in Africa. Islam no longer controlled any part of Spain.

Was there a Golden Age of tolerance that Obama is talking about?

What can be concluded is that under the Umayyads of Abdul Rahman III, civilization flourished for only about 100 years because true Islam was not practised, and indeed to Jews and Christians dhimmitude was not as severe, and they mixed with Muslim scholars; Literature, Medicine, Science and Astronomy advanced; Poetry and Music flourished (not banned); Wine was drunk for pleasure (not banned) Indeed, it could be said that:

“the Golden Age happened in spite of Islam, NOT because of Islam”.

When Cordoba was sacked, the scholars moved base to Toledo after 1085AD where science and literature flourished under Christian rule, NOT Islam. Scholars came from Europe to embrace new ideas then spread this throughout Europe.

But, in any case, this was long before the Spanish Inquisition, which started in 1478. Cordoba had been reconquered by Spain in 1236. The city was not under Muslim rule during the Inquisition.

The first thing the muslims did when they conqueresd Cordoba was to tear the Christian Cathedral to the ground and build back a mosque which still stands, Michelle and her entourage visited it recently to pay homage to the muslim conquerers.

For seven hundred years the muslims dominated Spain and Portugal, taking the best young working age men, castrating them, cutting their tongues out if they prostested and sending them into the muslim world as slaves, the sent warriors out into the villages each year to take the most pleasant appearing girls and sent them back to serve as concubines in the harems of the sultans.

Terrorism? Yep. Right in our own backyard.
Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson - CBS News

Fake Hate Crimes: An Islamist Weapon | Islam in America Right Side News

You want to compare the burning of a Volvo truck with acts such as this, and I can come with more than a thousand just over the past five years!!

Two pastors and 46 other Christians were killed in the outbreak of violence in Jos on Jan. 17, triggered when Muslim youths attacked a Catholic church; 10 church buildings were burned, and police estimated more than 300 lives were lost in the clash.

Even worse.

Eighty children burned to death by angry moslems as they sought refuge in a church!

Islam is not a religion. It’s a theocratic political system,
which is a system where the religious law governs civil
society as well and where the supreme government is
its clergy. It is a rival political system and cannot
coexist with democracy and the US Constution.

It’s time to declare Islam a rival political system and
get it out of this country.

You burgerboy are one of two things, either dumb as a box of rocks or a traitor to the American people and the freedoms we have fought for and defended or the past 230 some odd years!.

 

[VolBurgers]

You burgerboy are one of two things, either dumb as a box of rocks or a traitor to the American people and the freedoms we have fought for and defended or the past 230 some odd years!.

Nope. Just pointing out that every religion, or any group of people have their "bad apples." Every religion has extremists. Millions of Muslims have been practicing peacefully in this country for decades.

Feel free to post another hilarious cartoon. I won't be responding again. Good day, Sir.

 

[gsvol]

Nope. Just pointing out that every religion, or any group of people have their "bad apples." Every religion has extremists. Millions of Muslims have been practicing peacefully in this country for decades.

Feel free to post another hilarious cartoon. I won't be responding again. Good day, Sir.

And I'm saying you are as clueless as a Thanksgiving turkey.

Feel free to stuff the stuffing up your nose.

Your silly president is a moslem.

This is the man who engineered the enactment of sharia law in Kenya at the cost of thousands murdered and hundreds of thousands made refugees.

You call this peaceful??

This was peaceful?

Sell your crap to the families of people like this:

Sell your silly BS to someone who isn't aware that moslems have a fourteen hundred year history of voilent warfare to enact their goals.

Sure, it is permissible to act peaceably to gain intry but the middle game mandates violence and the end game mandates utter domination.

Wise up!!

You won't be responding again because you can't hold up your end of the discussion.

Go to hell!

 

[Brog]

There are muslim connections to the Christian-Newsom murders?

 

[gsvol]

There are muslim connections to the Christian-Newsom murders?

NOI death angels murdered nearly 400 people on a nationwide random murder campaign but how many people know about that??

Jailhouse Islam – The Radicals Among Us (Philly) Creeping Sharia

Is homegrown crime coincidental to radical and “jailhouse” Islam, and discrete from terrorism? Or are crime and terrorism just two points on the same continuum?

Domestic Terrorist? Cop killer celebrated as "Muslim Martyr" - Washington DC Independent | Examiner.com

Philly: Muslims convicted of murder in officer?s death Creeping Sharia

News stories barely report these killers were dressed as Muslim women during the robbery, and don’t even mention they were Muslims. Why not?
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