The Hunter Biden Thread

[Vol8188]

Page 36 of the archer testimony that the left is trying to claim exonerated Joe, paraphrasing but you can read it for yourself:

We needed help getting some assets in London unfrozen and with a pro educator. So Hunter was asked to call “DC”

Q: Who did he call for help

Archer: listen I did not hear the call, but, he called…he called his dad.

 

[AM64]

I didn’t cut anything in half. I responded to the entirety of what you said.

What you’re saying about who is pushing the story, that’s the problem. The mainstream intentionally ignores the story. I’d challenge you to find a single article from cnn, abc, CBS, NBC, or MSNBC about the fact that Hunter told his kids in a text message that is dad takes half his salary. That’s a problem. The refusal of the msm to cover real stories pushes people to fringe outlets.

You keep focusing on this one testimony. This one testimony proves that Biden was on conference calls with the board of burisma (over 20 total calls). That alone is concerning. If Hunter is selling access to Joe, at a minimum Joe seems to be an accomplice. We also have others who are saying “yes, Joe was involved”. How much evidence do you need before you’re willing to say we need to see joes bank records?

Exactly; it's often a shady process often with even shadier connections in play. "Illusion of access" has always been important. For example: Group A needs funding and at reasonable terms from Group B. Group A finds someone with reasonably credible ties to a person or people who can resolve other problems like legal or regulatory issues, or maybe even another "investor" who has wealth and leverage but wants to be anonymous for the particular deal. So Group A finds one of those slick ex-politicians, part of a political family, sometimes even an ex-spy will do; they they show the guy off play up all his connections which may or may not be completely true, but the illusion of connections is there as bait for Group B to fund Group A. Group B is feeling better about taking the bait and handing over the necessary funding.

This has been played out throughout history time after time. It's even a standard marketing tactic in business. Look at boards of directors and remember Carolyn Kennedy was on the Boeing board (at the time of the 737Max debacle) after having been Ambassador to Japan - corporate boards make interesting reading if you think the illusion of influence doesn't basically equal influence. Sometimes you need a real lobbyist as a go between, and sometimes you just need a name. The whole process is meant to be slippery so nobody (except maybe a disposable patsy) gets caught with hands in the cookie jar.

 

[hog88]

Exactly; it's often a shady process often with even shadier connections in play. "Illusion of access" has always been important. For example: Group A needs funding and at reasonable terms from Group B. Group A finds someone with reasonably credible ties to a person or people who can resolve other problems like legal or regulatory issues, or maybe even another "investor" who has wealth and leverage but wants to be anonymous for the particular deal. So Group A finds one of those slick ex-politicians, part of a political family, sometimes even an ex-spy will do; they they show the guy off play up all his connections which may or may not be completely true, but the illusion of connections is there as bait for Group B to fund Group A. Group B is feeling better about taking the bait and handing over the necessary funding.

This has been played out throughout history time after time. It's even a standard marketing tactic in business. Look at boards of directors and remember Carolyn Kennedy was on the Boeing board (at the time of the 737Max debacle) after having been Ambassador to Japan - corporate boards make interesting reading if you think the illusion of influence doesn't basically equal influence. Sometimes you need a real lobbyist as a go between, and sometimes you just need a name. The whole process is meant to be slippery so nobody (except maybe a disposable patsy) gets caught with hands in the cookie jar.

Illusions don't last 5+ years and once figured out don't work again. There was more than just an illusion of influence.

 

[AM64]

Illusions don't last 5+ years and once figured out don't work again. There was more than just an illusion of influence.

No argument about that, but illusions are so much easier to discount. It just makes things so much less dangerous when shady people in the middle are unofficially official. The "no problem; we can get that handled" statement is a lot less dangerous than a written and signed agreement. It just requires the middle man to have legitimate but discountable connections.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Devon Archer Tells Tucker Carlson it's 'categorically FALSE' to say Joe didn't know about his son Hunter's business deals

Hunter Biden's business partner Devon Archer told Tucker Carlson that it was impossible that Joe Biden would have zero knowledge of his son's business dealings.

He emphasized that it's 'categorically false' to say then-Vice President Joe Biden didn't know about his son's business deals at all.

Joe Biden 'was aware of Hunter's business, he met with Hunter's business partners,' Archer told Carlson during the second part of his tell-all interview released Friday.

Hunter's ex-best friend Archer revealed new details about his personal and business relationship with the president's son during the second part of Tucker Carlson's interview that was released Friday

Devon Archer tells Tucker Carlson it's 'categorically FALSE' to say Joe didn't know about his son Hunter's business deals | Daily Mail Online

 

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[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Septic]

Biden is corrupt, it's true. And the right has every right to point it out and wonder how this guy is still fit to lead our country.

But it makes me wonder where all of this hand wringing was when Trump, Ivanka and Jared Kushner where out there raking in the cash from other countries?

Like when the Trumps got 18 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka or Donald green lit by the Chinese at the very same time Trump dropped all of the IP tariffs and let ZTE off the hook, getting the US contracts back.

Or when Donny received $7m from the Chinese state-owned industrial and commercial bank of China for "rent".

Or when Jared Kushner secured a $2b investment deal from the Saudi crown prince, a friend of Trumps - despite objections from the funds advisors about the merits of the deal.



I get it through - these are often forgotten about because of the sheer amount of bullshittery that comes from trump. The specifics of his corruption just gets drowned out by the noise of what's going on in one of the two other rings of his circus.

If there was any intellectual honesty left in the trumpers, they'd acknowledge this - but we all know they won't, or they'll gloss over it - make an excuse, deflect and redirect about the "dementia patient" and slink away.

 

[Vol8188]

Biden is corrupt, it's true. And the right has every right to point it out and wonder how this guy is still fit to lead our country.

But it makes me wonder where all of this hand wringing was when Trump, Ivanka and Jared Kushner where out there raking in the cash from other countries?

Like when the Trumps got 18 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka or Donald green lit by the Chinese at the very same time Trump dropped all of the IP tariffs and let ZTE off the hook, getting the US contracts back.

Or when Donny received $7m from the Chinese state-owned industrial and commercial bank of China for "rent".

Or when Jared Kushner secured a $2b investment deal from the Saudi crown prince, a friend of Trumps - despite objections from the funds advisors about the merits of the deal.



I get it through - these are often forgotten about because of the sheer amount of bullshittery that comes from trump. The specifics of his corruption just gets drowned out by the noise of what's going on in one of the two other rings of his circus.

If there was any intellectual honesty left in the trumpers, they'd acknowledge this - but we all know they won't, or they'll gloss over it - make an excuse, deflect and redirect about the "dementia patient" and slink away.

This nonsense keeps coming up, so I assume you're listening to the same MSNBC shows. Can you show evidence of Ivanka or Jared openly extorting any of these people or claiming their father to be involved? Is there any reason to believe Ivanka or Jared violated the FARA act?

Do we have witness testimony claiming either of them were paid based on the perceived notion that they would gain influence from the White House?

Because we have all of that with Hunter. It seems here that you really have nothing.

 

[Septic]

This nonsense keeps coming up, so I assume you're listening to the same MSNBC shows. Can you show evidence of Ivanka or Jared openly extorting any of these people or claiming their father to be involved? Is there any reason to believe Ivanka or Jared violated the FARA act?

Do we have witness testimony claiming either of them were paid based on the perceived notion that they would gain influence from the White House?

Because we have all of that with Hunter. It seems here that you really have nothing.

I'm sorry, did you just agree with me that the Trumps used their positions for personal enrichment? You certainly didn't deny it.

While you desperately try to make distinctions, I'll continue to point out that there is no difference.

The truth hurts, no?

 

[Vol8188]

I'm sorry, did you just agree with me that the Trumps used their positions for personal enrichment? You certainly didn't deny it.

While you desperately try to make distinctions, I'll continue to point out that there is no difference.

The truth hurts, no?

If personal enrichment is your standard you'd have to go after 100% of politicians. Every speaking engagement, every book they've written, etc. The question is not "did they make money" but "did they violate the law in doing so".

So once again:

Can you show evidence of Ivanka or Jared openly extorting any of these people or claiming their father to be involved? Is there any reason to believe Ivanka or Jared violated the FARA act?

Do we have witness testimony claiming either of them were paid based on the perceived notion that they would gain influence from the White House?

Because we have all of that with Hunter. That's the obvious difference here and you refuse to accept it for ignorant partisan reasons.

 

[Septic]

If personal enrichment is your standard you'd have to go after 100% of politicians. Every speaking engagement, every book they've written, etc. The question is not "did they make money" but "did they violate the law in doing so".

So once again:

Can you show evidence of Ivanka or Jared openly extorting any of these people or claiming their father to be involved? Is there any reason to believe Ivanka or Jared violated the FARA act?

Do we have witness testimony claiming either of them were paid based on the perceived notion that they would gain influence from the White House?

Because we have all of that with Hunter. That's the obvious difference here and you refuse to accept it for ignorant partisan reasons.

Nah - you don't get to say "bUt EveRYonE Do3S it" and move on.

Did the Trumps use their positions for personal enrichment?

It's an easy question. Yes or no?

You claim I'm being partisan, but I've already stated that the Biden's are absolutely corrupt. The partisan angle seems to be you ducking, bobbing and weaving to find a distinction without difference.

It's why you trump nut huggers constantly look so damn dumb, you never seem to want to apply standards equally while accusing others of the same.

If you cared about corruption, truly - then you'd care about ALL corruption.

You don't.

 

[Vol8188]

Nah - you don't get to say "bUt EveRYonE Do3S it" and move on.

Did the Trumps use their positions for personal enrichment?

It's an easy question. Yes or no?

You claim I'm being partisan, but I've already stated that the Biden's are absolutely corrupt. The partisan angle seems to be you ducking, bobbing and weaving to find a distinction without difference.

It's why you trump nut huggers constantly look so damn dumb, you never seem to want to apply standards equally while accusing others of the same.

If you cared about corruption, truly - then you'd care about ALL corruption.

You don't.

Everyone makes money. The question is did they violate laws in doing so. It’s evident Hunter did. Can you show that here?

Once again, if not, you’ve got nothing.

 

[Septic]

Everyone makes money. The question is did they violate laws in doing so. It’s evident Hunter did. Can you show that here?

Once again, if not, you’ve got nothing.

It's evident that Ivanka and the Trump Crime Cartel enriched themselves using their positions.

You don't want to accept it, I get that. But your feelings don't make my point any less true.

The outrage you and the other trumpers exhibit towards the bidens, while justified - is 100% selective.

If you could muster the strength to apply your outrage objectively - you'd stop trying to search for meaningless distinctions and accept that your feels are nothing more than partisan.

The trumps used their positions to enrich themselves, just as the bidens have. It's not really any more complicated than that. Accept it.

 

[Vol8188]

It's evident that Ivanka and the Trump Crime Cartel enriched themselves using their positions.

You don't want to accept it, I get that. But your feelings don't make my point any less true.

The outrage you and the other trumpers exhibit towards the bidens, while justified - is 100% selective.

If you could muster the strength to apply your outrage objectively - you'd stop trying to search for meaningless distinctions and accept that your feels are nothing more than partisan.

The trumps used their positions to enrich themselves, just as the bidens have. It's not really any more complicated than that. Accept it.

You don’t actually have a point and are just talking in circles at this point. All families attempt to enrich themselves. The question that’s relevant is “is their evidence they committed a crime in the process”

It’s amazing to watch the guy who loves to go to every religious thread ever on this board and talk about reason and logic, just completely abandon all of that because “trump bad”

 

[Septic]

You don’t actually have a point and are just talking in circles at this point. All families attempt to enrich themselves. The question that’s relevant is “is their evidence they committed a crime in the process”

It’s amazing to watch the guy who loves to go to every religious thread ever on this board and talk about reason and logic, just completely abandon all of that because “trump bad”

If I'm talking in circles, it's because you clearly aren't getting what should be readily apparent to a toddler.

You keep disingenuously try to spin this into me being partisan - when any rational person is watching you defend Donny for enriching himself and his kids using his position while crying about Hunter peddling his daddy's influence. It's disingenuous, I think they're all corrupt.

Read that last bit again.

You don't have a leg to stand on, you realize that and so you try to deflect and redirect to a subject I haven't weighed in on is year(s).

I'll ask you again, do you care about corruption or do you only care about it when it's Biden and his crotch spawn? Re-evaluate your position objectively and report back.

 

[Vol8188]

If I'm talking in circles, it's because you clearly aren't getting what should be readily apparent to a toddler.

You keep disingenuously try to spin this into me being partisan - when any rational person is watching you defend Donny for enriching himself and his kids using his position while crying about Hunter peddling his daddy's influence. It's disingenuous, I think they're all corrupt.

Read that last bit again.

You don't have a leg to stand on, you realize that and so you try to deflect and redirect to a subject I haven't weighed in on is year(s).

I'll ask you again, do you care about corruption or do you only care about it when it's Biden and his crotch spawn? Re-evaluate your position objectively and report back.

You have no corruption to show. That’s what your fail to see. Comparing the two is like saying “both prostitutes and factory workers make money!”. Sure they do, but one does so legally.

Can you show the illegal aspect of any of your claims about trump? You can’t. Yet you keep talking in circles and pretending to have something.

“They both made money!”….yes. Everyday, millions of Americans make money. That’s a crime.

 

[Septic]

You have no corruption to show.

*sigh*

I can't understand what corruption is for you.

Using your logic, the Biden's haven't committed a crime either. Until he's charged and convicted, he's done nothing illegal - he's just trying to make a living.

See how dumb that sounds? That's your argument.

BTW: Comer suggests ‘influence peddling’ in Trump admin will be part of Biden investigation | Fox News

 

[Vol8188]

*sigh*

I can't understand what corruption is for you.

Using your logic, the Biden's haven't committed a crime either. Until he's charged and convicted, he's done nothing illegal - he's just trying to make a living.

See how dumb that sounds? That's your argument.

BTW: Comer suggests ‘influence peddling’ in Trump admin will be part of Biden investigation | Fox News

Not at all. We know for a fact Hunter violated the FARA and is on record extorting people using his father’s name (the exact text said something along the lines of if you don’t pay my dad and I will come after you) and has evenly claimed (text message to his kids) that Joe takes half of his salary which he received for influence peddling.

Do you have anything on that level to show for the Trump family? You don’t. You just have “they made money and I think there was something illegal to it”. That’s cool, but that’s not evidence.

 

[Caculator]

Not at all. We know for a fact Hunter violated the FARA and is on record extorting people using his father’s name (the exact text said something along the lines of if you don’t pay my dad and I will come after you) and has evenly claimed (text message to his kids) that Joe takes half of his salary which he received for influence peddling.

Do you have anything on that level to show for the Trump family? You don’t. You just have “they made money and I think there was something illegal to it”. That’s cool, but that’s not evidence.

He's got nuttin'

 

[Vol8188]

He's got nuttin'

But they both made money!

Jeffrey Epstein is no different than a factory worker if that’s your standard

 

[whodeycin85]

But they both made money!

Jeffrey Epstein is no different than a factory worker if that’s your standard

Good luck

 

[Septic]

Not at all. We know for a fact Hunter violated the FARA and is on record extorting people using his father’s name (the exact text said something along the lines of if you don’t pay my dad and I will come after you) and has evenly claimed (text message to his kids) that Joe takes half of his salary which he received for influence peddling.

Do you have anything on that level to show for the Trump family? You don’t. You just have “they made money and I think there was something illegal to it”. That’s cool, but that’s not evidence.

Sheez.

Watching you trumpers smootch his orange pickle is a sight to behold.

You know why no one has pushed trumps influence peddling corruption? Because it's not even remotely the worst thing he's done.

Him selling influence was just a regular Thursday afternoon.

You keep making distinctions without difference while the rational amongst us recognize that the Biden's and Trumps/Kushners are just different sides of the same coin.

 

[Vol8188]

Sheez.

Watching you trumpers smootch his orange pickle is a sight to behold.

You know why no one has pushed trumps influence peddling corruption? Because it's not even remotely the worst thing he's done.

Him selling influence was just a regular Thursday afternoon.

You keep making distinctions without difference while the rational amongst us recognize that the Biden's and Trumps/Kushners are just different sides of the same coin.

lmfao that’s awesome. So in your mind, he’s committed crimes and there’s evidence of that in your mind, but no one has indicted him (despite the current love affair with indicting him), and yet you also can’t show any evidence of wrong doing?

That’s hilarious. You’re on lizard people run our government conspiracy level right now.

 

[Septic]

lmfao that’s awesome. So in your mind, he’s committed crimes and there’s evidence of that in your mind, but no one has indicted him (despite the current love affair with indicting him), and yet you also can’t show any evidence of wrong doing?

That’s hilarious. You’re on lizard people run our government conspiracy level right now.

I stated he was corrupt, pointed out why and wondered where the hand wringing was from the trumpers was.

Unfortunately, I don't get to decide on how or when the DOJ prosecutes it - but hopefully it's in the que. As you may have noticed, there's a backlog of criminal cases for Donny and despite the outrage of the Biden's influence peddling - it's not even in the top five of the worst things that Donny has done.

Have some patience, I suspect the DOJ will get their eventually.