The Impeachment Thread

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#14,101
evillawyer said:
Here's the problem though. We had just exited an investigation that spanned more than a year focused on whether Trump had worked with Russians to obtain election help, and just ONE day after Mueller had testified about that investigation Trump is on the phone soliciting election help from a foreign power ... and using US taxpayer money to do it. The "it's not an impeachable offense" argument is really based on Trump's incompetence and inexperience (he's a real estate dealmaker, inexperienced, etc), but that rings hollow here given the subject of the Mueller investigation.
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I’m not saying I would agree with it. I’m saying I can at least respect that as an opinion that someone could come to honestly.

There is just less and less room for informed, credible, honest disagreement over what actually happened and “nothing” came off the table when the transcript was released.

What the remedy should be is always somewhat subjective even if, like you, I find the fact that he was, at best, warned of the severity of soliciting foreign interference and, at worst, a recidivist, to be compelling support for removal.
 
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#14,109
evillawyer said:
No, I hired illegals to do that.
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Well that really pulls back the curtain. I was marveling at your logistics skills. That’s gotta be about 5 hours of flying, 3 hours in airport security, plus any layovers, NYC and Minneapolis traffic, and only one hour of time change...
 
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#14,113
I would have thought there would be much joy by the right, now they can stop crying about the process and get down to business of avoiding the actual defense of trumps shenanigans by smearing the whistleblowers.
 
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Septic said:
I would have there would be much joy by the right, now they can stop crying about the process and get down to business of avoiding the actual defense of trumps shenanigans by smearing the whistleblowers.
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See, one would think establishing the trustworthiness of witnesses would be a part of establishing whether there were shenanigans.
 
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#14,115
VolnJC said:
Yeah Trump at 42.6 and Pelosi at 39 from your link
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The adults are focused on the spread, which takes into account all of the variables. Keep cherry-picking though, also - congratulations to trump on being only slightly worse than the devil herself.

Quite a bar you've set for him.
 
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Rifleman said:
Let's cover that then, sparky.

The Democrats got 58 percent of the vote in the 2018 Senate race and were defending 24 seats.

Here is a list of 2018 Democrats who would have lost their seats, or not have been elected, if any Republican other than Trump was POTUS:

1. Bob Menendez - New Jersey
2. Jacky Rosen - Nevada
3. John Tester - Montana
4. Kyrsten Sinema - Arizona
5. Joe Manchin - West Virginia

That any of these first five are in the Senate is frankly insane incompetence by the GOP even with Trump dragging them under.

6. Debbie Stabenow - Michigan
7. Sherrod Brown - Ohio
8. Tammy Baldwin - Wisconsin

These three are low hanging fruit too.

What are you getting from Trump to compensate for ceding so much political power to the left?
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Menendez is a criminal yet that get's ignored by leftists
Manchin is the only reasonable democrat still alive, I can't believe he still identifies as a dem

It's very difficult to boot a Senator, much easier for House of Reps

The Rs increased numbers in the Senate, it's very strange you all focus only on the House
 
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Orange_Crush said:
See, one would think establishing the trustworthiness of witnesses would be a part of establishing whether there were shenanigans.
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You should be super excited that it will all be out in the open now, I can't wait to see what unfolds.
 
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Septic said:
I would have there would be much joy by the right, now they can stop crying about the process and get down to business of avoiding the actual defense of trumps shenanigans by smearing the whistleblowers.
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When you have as many accusers as Trump, from the dozens of women he groped to all the contractors he stiffed, from all the people grifted at Trump University or just eaten by bedbugs at one of his sham resorts, up to all the people in his own Whitehouse and government who have testified to his criminality, we hit the point of diminishing returns on the smear campaigns about 1,000 people ago.
 
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