The Impeachment Thread

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RockyTop85 said:
Probably a lot more typing than it was worth for a guy who, less than 24 hours ago, suggested that the “no evidence” argument was bad faith and he was trying to avoid it.
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And I believe you would be mixing people up unless you’re referring to someone else. I never said anything about bad faith. That slam was a swing and a miss.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
iu
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You made me LOL man.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know your neighbors but, in May, Perry, Sondland, and Volker began assisting Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, with securing these investigations. They spent two months trying to use leverage to get the Ukrainians to commit to investigations that included Hunter Biden.

July 10 Sondland tells Ukraine’s national security advisor no WH meeting unless we get investigations. Bolton ends meeting, makes drug deal comment, ultimately resigns.

By July 18, no investigation had been announced and aid was delayed. None of those four men has the authority to do that. Trump and Mulvaney are the only people who could have done that.

Two weeks later, Volker texts a member of Ukraine’s government and explicitly tells him that they must deliver on the investigations to get a WH meeting.

The next day, Trump’s phone call with Zelensky establishes that he personally wanted the investigations and he wanted Biden investigated. He tries to leverage javeline missiles to get them.

Still no public announcement of investigation. Still no release of aid.

August 29, it’s published in politico that the aid is withheld. Taylor texts Sondland “that’s crazy.” Sondland: call me. Taylor says that, over the phone, Sondland told him that “everything” was now conditioned on the investigations and that his prior statement that it was just the WH meeting was “a mistake.” Effectively says Trump’s not signing the check until he gets what he’s owed.

September 1: Sondland tells Yermak no investigations = no money.

September 9 Joeseph Maguire makes WH OLC aware of the whistle blower complaint. Schiff starts bitching. September 11 aid is released.

That’s just off the top of my head. So yeah, good luck with “there’s no evidence,” and “no connection between aid and investigations” and “wouldn’t hold up in a court of law” defenses because there is a mountain of evidence despite frivolous claims of executive privilege, there was an explicit connection between aid and investigations, and impeachment is literally a court of public opinion.

Also, lol at all these process arguments. Trump already victimized the process. He doesn’t get to skate on obstruction charges by the sole virtue of being the president of the United States and then have a cry about relaxed evidentiary rules in an impeachment hearing. You want Trump to have the full panoply of constitutional rights? He can waive immunity at any time, tell the DOJ to indict him, and have a trial in a court of law. Good luck with that though because Federal courts treat circumstantial and direct evidence in the exact same way and most of this falls into the numerous exceptions to hearsay.

I’d say he finds his current situation, where he doesn’t have to worry about a pesky thing like an impartial jury, to be preferable.
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I actually have one other question. If all this is about Trump wanting the Ukrainians to investigate 2016 corruption then doesn’t it all become a bunch a nothing, even if every bit of the rest of what you typed turned out to be true?
 
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FallCreekVols said:
Eric Ciaramella
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I gather you're also accusing Bill Taylor of perjury during his deposition?

"Attorney Steve Castor, a lawyer for Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee asked Taylor about the whistleblower complaint. During the questioning, Castor asked, “Does a person by the name of Eric Ciaramella ring a bell for you?” Taylor responded, “It doesn’t.” Castor then asked Taylor if, to his knowledge, he had ever had communication with Ciaramella. Taylor responded, “Correct.”"
 
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Orange_Crush said:
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Voters like me are why the Dems are falling all over each other trying to find some crime that would lead to impeachment. They can’t believe some low-life, big mouth, outsider was able to beat them. And how dare he hurl insults at them while they concoct scheme after scheme to drag him through the mud and have him removed from office.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
She won't survive re-election
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You never know in that district. I can see the general appeal in that she speaks well, on the surface seems knowledgeable, and certainly has passion. The substance and common sense just don’t exist though. She shouldn’t be re-elected solely because she ran off tens of thousands of jobs from her area.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Voters like me are why the Dems are falling all over each other trying to find some crime that would lead to impeachment. They can’t believe some low-life, big mouth, outsider was able to beat them. And how dare he hurl insults at them while they concoct scheme after scheme to drag him through the mud and have him removed from office.
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I was just pointing out the latent authoritarian mindset in the liberals.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
You never know in that district. I can see the general appeal in that she speaks well, on the surface seems knowledgeable, and certainly has passion. The substance and common sense just don’t exist though. She shouldn’t be re-elected solely because she ran off tens of thousands of jobs from her area.
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YEah I guess I should have prefaced it with something like: a competent opponent would hammer the point that thousands of jobs were taken away from those constituents in no small part because of the lunacy of AOC. IF they then reelect her, then that's on them and they can enjoy their EBT cards.
 
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Mick said:
Yes there is despite Trump and Co trying to cover it up like catsh!t. There's not enough Kitty Litter on the planet to mask the stench coming from this Administration.
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Looks to me like a pan full of turd shaped brownies made to trick someone into thinking their bad. Then feed everyone the delicious brownies and watch the naysayers say "damn, he got me again, Now I'm wrong AND I have no delicious brownies....I'm just not good at this 4d chess".

I could be wrong though.....could be a baking pan that someone let a cat **** in?
Or could be brownies?
I would follow the spatula if I were you intelligent lawyers and investigators of volnation
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Voters like me are why the Dems are falling all over each other trying to find some crime that would lead to impeachment. They can’t believe some low-life, big mouth, outsider was able to beat them. And how dare he hurl insults at them while they concoct scheme after scheme to drag him through the mud and have him removed from office.
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It really just all boils down to Trump being a historically horrendously despicable human who should have never been nominated, never elected, and certainly undeserving of any continued support.
His own people came close to a mass midnight resignation.
His own people considered the possibilities of invoking the 25th.
His own people knew they had to undermine him for the sake of the country.
 
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