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#26
#26
Spartacavolus said:
nobody has a problem with CM as a man and leader of young men. The issue have been reverting to losing gameplans, his best team not playing to potential, and slowness to make things happen or necessary changes, such as facing Stokes up more and attacking the rim instead of running wasted motion offense 35 feet out that results in more turnovers than attacking.
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Agree.

I respect the man for his character and for the discipline he has instilled in the program. However, this alone doesn't make him a great bball coach. There are plenty of good character guys in the bball world that are currently job-less.
 
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#27
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
If we win today, good luck firing him.
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I'm not in any way campaigning for him to be fired, so don't take my previous comments that way.

I'm just saying those are your only two options; extend him a minimum of two years, or fire him. Anything in between only sets him up to fail.

Obviously, the only logical thing is to give him the two year extension. Winning today will only reinforce that belief.
 
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#28
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dal9 said:
it's over, man. you lost this one.
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Yeah, you are going to have to explain that one to me. When you see a post of mine talking about firing martin, even when playing horrid, I'd like to see it.

I discuss what I see on the court. Some of you don't know what you are watching, so a disagreement is unavoidable, and others are too emotional to be objective.
 
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#29
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Spartacavolus said:
Yeah, you are going to have to explain that one to me. When you see a post of mine talking about firing martin, even when playing horrid, I'd like to see it.

I discuss what I see on the court. Some of you don't know what you are watching, so a disagreement is unavoidable, and others are too emotional to be objective.
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I know what you are saying regarding poor play, especially from the offensive side of the ball. But I don't think it's CCM's philosophy to be a high scoring machine, he wants defensive toughness, period. When they play great defense it creates scoring opportunities. If you look at the last few games there are few teams that match TN's toughness defensively. The players NOW get it. This type of play keeps us in games on poor shooting nights and they blow teams out on good shooting nights.:rock:
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
If we win today, good luck firing him. When was the last time we went to sweet 16...like against Ralph Sampson's Virginia team in the 80s?

Also, you have to look at momentum into next season, it is always a major positive to finish out strong.
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Let's see. We were in the sweet 16 in 2000, 2007,
2008, and we made it to the elite 8 in 2010.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Yeah, you are going to have to explain that one to me. When you see a post of mine talking about firing martin, even when playing horrid, I'd like to see it.

I discuss what I see on the court. Some of you don't know what you are watching, so a disagreement is unavoidable, and others are too emotional to be objective.
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Anyone could see that earlier in the year the offense wasn't scoring a lot of points, and the D was not where it needed to be.

The problem is that the message board coaches made it seem like there are obvious, easy fixes, and that Martin is a moron for not making them.

For example.

Message board coach fix: Abandon the M2M and switch to 2-3 zone.
What actually happened: UT's stuck with the M2M, and dominated down the stretch due to the stifling defense.


Message board coach fix: Abandon the half court offense for the run and gun.
What actually happened: UT beat Iowa and dominated UMass in the first half by controlling the pace, keeping the game in the half court.

Message board coach fix: Let Barton initiate the offense more, don't play him as a spot up shooter.
What actually happened: Barton had 2 assists each against Iowa and UMass, right below his season average of 2.1
 
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PACKERVOL said:
Let's see. We were in the sweet 16 in 2000, 2007,
2008, and we made it to the elite 8 in 2010.
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I knew I'd get busted for not researching. It must be obvious that I haven't been following the sport much.

I track the Lady Vols much more but I'm primarily a Tennessee Football and NFL fan. I don' even watch much NASCAR anymore (car of tomorrow made Bristol much less enjoyable).

My two year affair with VolNation has me following the men's team a lot more now though.
 
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dal9 said:
Message board coach fix: Abandon the M2M and switch to 2-3 zone.
What actually happened: UT's stuck with the M2M, and dominated down the stretch due to the stifling defense.


Message board coach fix: Abandon the half court offense for the run and gun.
What actually happened: UT beat Iowa and dominated UMass in the first half by controlling the pace, keeping the game in the half court.

Message board coach fix: Let Barton initiate the offense more, don't play him as a spot up shooter.
What actually happened: Barton had 2 assists each against Iowa and UMass, right below his season average of 2.1
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--switching to 1-3-1 in key points later in the season is a big reason why we are sitting right here. I don't recall many calling for 2-3. As a matter of fact, in my message board coach opinion, we will need it today.

--I also don't recall run and gun being mentioned. Pace and aggression aren't the same thing as Loyola Marymount. Message board posters don't seem to understand what message board coaches are talking about here. The earlier we feed the post, the better, or just attack the rim off the first pass. That's what works best for this team, not a wasted motion offense that affects our aggression on both ends.

--Barton just doesn't need to go stand in the corner, get the ball back with 5 seconds left and try to make a play. That's putting him/us in a bad spot and not necessary. He's not a pg that will have the ball in his hands 90% of the time, but sending some picks his way and/or letting him dribble to the wing to make the pass to the block is what we want anyway. If Stokes gets the ball, takes 2 dribbles and finishes with his left, who cares if Barton didn't get the assist. He still got the ball to him in position to score.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
I knew I'd get busted for not researching. It must be obvious that I haven't been following the sport much.

I track the Lady Vols much more but I'm primarily a Tennessee Football and NFL fan. I don' even watch much NASCAR anymore (car of tomorrow made Bristol much less enjoyable).

My two year affair with VolNation has me following the men's team a lot more now though.
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Not trying to be a smart azz but how in the world could you call yourself a Vol fan and not know about CBP success?
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
I knew I'd get busted for not researching. It must be obvious that I haven't been following the sport much.

I track the Lady Vols much more but I'm primarily a Tennessee Football and NFL fan. I don' even watch much NASCAR anymore (car of tomorrow made Bristol much less enjoyable).

My two year affair with VolNation has me following the men's team a lot more now though.
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You should check out NASCAR again . They made some rule changes and car changes that have made it very interesting for the first time in about a decade . I never thought I would see them going three wide at Bristol but they did last weekend
 
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IMO the self-appointed message board coaches aren't coaching D-1 basketball for a reason.

I could appoint myself a message board surgeon, too, but I don't think that would lead to any invitations to the operating room.
 
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people want to win and be entertained. Some of you are making it too emotional, when it's really simple. Do you think people would've been complaining had the team played like this all year? Or at least half the year?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
people want to win and be entertained. Some of you are making it too emotional, when it's really simple. Do you think people would've been complaining had the team played like this all year? Or at least half the year?
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Maybe you should apply for the job.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
people want to win and be entertained. Some of you are making it too emotional, when it's really simple. Do you think people would've been complaining had the team played like this all year? Or at least half the year?
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There's people saying if he were to make the final four they would still want him fired because his style is boring...what do you think?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
There's people saying if he were to make the final four they would still want him fired because his style is boring...what do you think?
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Have we been boring during the last 3rd of the year? We went from not attacking to scoring 15-20 by the 5 minute mark in many of those games.
People really can't tell the difference between that mindset vs other plans early in the year?

It's really not difficult to understand why basketball fans felt like we knew what this team could and should look like. I expected sweet 16 this summer and after a long road, we are on the doorstep. CM waits to long to do things. Always has. Maybe we caught it just in time. Reverting to old and bad habits scares me and will until we don't do it in a big game.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
people want to win and be entertained. Some of you are making it too emotional, when it's really simple. Do you think people would've been complaining had the team played like this all year? Or at least half the year?
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Best way to sum it up!
 
#47
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dal9 said:
Anyone could see that earlier in the year the offense wasn't scoring a lot of points, and the D was not where it needed to be.

The problem is that the message board coaches made it seem like there are obvious, easy fixes, and that Martin is a moron for not making them.

For example.

Message board coach fix: Abandon the M2M and switch to 2-3 zone.
What actually happened: UT's stuck with the M2M, and dominated down the stretch due to the stifling defense.


Message board coach fix: Abandon the half court offense for the run and gun.
What actually happened: UT beat Iowa and dominated UMass in the first half by controlling the pace, keeping the game in the half court.

Message board coach fix: Let Barton initiate the offense more, don't play him as a spot up shooter.
What actually happened: Barton had 2 assists each against Iowa and UMass, right below his season average of 2.1
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Forgot my favorite one.

Message board coach fix: Martin needs to get fired up with the refs and get a T!
What actually happened: Martin stayed calm and we haven't been in foul trouble in months, while getting an unreasonable number of O-boards
 
#48
#48
terrypedigo said:
Why don't we just shut up about coach and get fired up and go out and kick Mercer azz, GO BIG ORANGE KICK AZZ TIME IS TODAY.:pepper:
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Because there is still a large group of dumber than dirt UT Fanz that would like him to fail and get canned!! :hi:
 
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#49
#49
If my memory serves me correctly we have only been to the elite eight once and other than that we have only made it to the sweet sixteen. How is CCM doing a bad job? You guys have to get a grip on reality when you are calling for his firing. Has the second best record in the SEC since he has been here but you will not be satisfied unless he wins every game every year. Please temper your comments with some common sense. He has done a good job this year and it is a great job now that the players are getting it. Go VOLS beat Michigan.
 
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#50
LocoVol said:
Best way to sum it up!
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You complainers can suck hind teet as far as I'm concerned. Get lost! Most of the dissenter's are smart enough to stay off the board because people like me who have been a supporter all along will dissect them.
 
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