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#156
#156
Gosh, don't you guys realize that with replay, all these complicated rules will be interpreted mush more easily and consistently? Because competition! (Blue font)
 
#160
#160
BearCat204 said:
You are incorrect.... Punt returns are not Receptions.
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From the NFL rule book:

CATCH
A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 8-1-
3)
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Note 1: It is a catch if, in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to it touching the ground and that control is maintained during and after the ball has touched the ground.

Note 2: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, and there is contact by a defender causing the ball to come loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the
same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession,
and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.
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#162
#162
zjcvols said:
Yes, he caught the ball, was hit by a defender, had possession of the football when his knee hit, hence the ball is dead.
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Same thing with the Bryant play then. His knee was clearly down before he rolled over and then stretched for the pylon.

The plays were called differently which is what I have an issue with.
 
#163
#163
And the whole "football move" term drives me crazy it is not in the rule book. The book states this:

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
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#165
#165
A "football move" isn't needed to indicate possession/ the completed transition of a punt or kick return, though.
 
#166
#166
jaybird_1981 said:
From the NFL rule book:
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I suggest you read rule 8 and in particular 8.8 AR2 which specifically covers catching a completed pass. Fielding a punt/kick doesn't fall under the same rules as completions of passes do. In other words read deeper, it's there.
 
#167
#167
zjcvols said:
Yes, he caught the ball, was hit by a defender, had possession of the football when his knee hit, hence the ball is dead.
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Why didn't he have to "make a move" after the catch? I think this is the discrepancy most are referring to. If a catch is a catch, then the rules for defining a catch should be consistent.
 
#169
#169
BearCat204 said:
I suggest you read rule 8 and in particular 8.8 AR2 which specifically covers catching a completed pass. Fielding a punt/kick doesn't fall under the same rules as completions of passes do. In other words read deeper, it's there.
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Yeah I see that. I believe the rules should be consistent across the board for a catch.
 
#170
#170
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Why didn't he have to "make a move" after the catch? I think this is the discrepancy most are referring to. If a catch is a catch, then the rules for defining a catch should be consistent.
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Because "catching" a punt isn't the same as "catching" catching a forward pass

Rule 8 Forward Pass, Backward Pass, Fumble - NFL.com
 
#171
#171
jaybird_1981 said:
Yeah I see that. I believe the rules should be consistent across the board for a catch.
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But they aren't.... They definitely differ from Fielding punts and catching pants. That's why I still feel they got the call right, but at the same time I think the rule is a bit garbage.
 
#175
#175
BearCat204 said:
Because "catching" a punt isn't the same as "catching" catching a forward pass

Rule 8 Forward Pass, Backward Pass, Fumble - NFL.com
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I understand that Bearcat, which is why I said there is a "discrepancy" between what is defined as a catch. The inconsistency in defining something as simple as "catching a ball" is evident simply by watching the two plays.

The play ruled "not a catch" was the one where the player possessed the ball longer than the one that was ruled "a catch" where the player really never had possession.
 
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