The official OMGHULKHANDS post-game report

#26
#26
Chris4Vols22 said:
Yeah, that was blatantly dirty. Can't believe the officials actually gave Thomas the ball at the FT line. Absolutely blatant attempt to cheat entirely on Memphis.
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I believe it was Gerron Johnson that went to the line originally.
 
#30
#30
VolGee4 said:
Are the folks who wanted excitement happy? We scored 80 points.....but lost.

Some should be ecstatic considering they were *****ing about scoring 50 points and winning.
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Are the folks who said "no matter how bad the O is the defense would always be there" happy? Gee, I doubt it.
 
#32
#32
therealitytheory said:
Are the folks who said "no matter how bad the O is the defense would always be there" happy? Gee, I doubt it.
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Well there we go. Now we know how dumb both are. All I said was I like winning. People responded by saying that it was boring basketball. I don't care if we win 10-8 or 150-145 as long as we win.
 
#33
#33
If you had told me that Memphis forced their tempo, we would miss 9 FTs and at least 10 shots within 2', and allowed Memphis to shoot season highs from the field and from the 3-point line, I would have guessed we lost by 20+ points.

-The good news is we didn't give up.
-We discovered that we are not allergic to playing an uptempo pace. Our post players (Hall and Stokes particularly) fought for, and established position with authority, and the guards fed them well when opportunities presented themselves.
-McRae played offensively with purpose and looked to want to be a leader.
-Richardson is becoming the most complete player on this team with every passing game. -Kenny Hall played his best game of the season (maybe his career) and did so without fouling on every other possession.
-Yemi is solid on defense, yet unspectacular on offense. Richardson was last year too. If Yemi makes the same transition by next season, he could be a heck of a player. His lack of experience playing the game shows against teams like Memphis. I have faith that another offseason for him could make him a real threat offensively.

-The bad news is, asking this team to come back from 21 down is asking too much. There is just not enough offense.
-Our glaring lack of athleticism was grossly exposed tonight, and is the reason we will struggle against teams like UK, Florida, and Missouri. We may find a way to beat those teams, but it won't be because we are more athletic.
-Skylar McBee is killing his team right now, on both ends of the court.
-If Trae Golden had Lopez's leadership abilities, he'd be twice the player. Conversely, if Lopez had Golden's skill-set, he'd would be too. Can we combine them?

In terms of Memphis, I imagine this is what their fans imagined them looking like. They seem to play to their level of competition. Pastner didn't necessarily out-coach Martin tonight, but he didn't find a way to lose this game from the bench. If nothing else, he has assembled a great group of athletic players with dynamic skill sets. Sometimes, you just get beat by a team that makes shots, despite your best effort. Joe Jackson is becoming a helluva PG. I thought the Rondo comparison by the announcers was pretty spot-on. He really played well. PG play was probably the biggest difference in the game.
 
#34
#34
cncchris33 said:
If you had told me that Memphis forced their tempo, we would miss 9 FTs and at least 10 shots within 2', and allowed Memphis to shoot season highs from the field and from the 3-point line, I would have guessed we lost by 20+ points.

-The good news is we didn't give up.
-We discovered that we are not allergic to playing an uptempo pace. Our post players (Hall and Stokes particularly) fought for, and established position with authority, and the guards fed them well when opportunities presented themselves.
-McRae played offensively with purpose and looked to want to be a leader.
-Richardson is becoming the most complete player on this team with every passing game. -Kenny Hall played his best game of the season (maybe his career) and did so without fouling on every other possession.
-Yemi is solid on defense, yet unspectacular on offense. Richardson was last year too. If Yemi makes the same transition by next season, he could be a heck of a player. His lack of experience playing the game shows against teams like Memphis. I have faith that another offseason for him could make him a real threat offensively.

-The bad news is, asking this team to come back from 21 down is asking too much. There is just not enough offense.
-Our glaring lack of athleticism was grossly exposed tonight, and is the reason we will struggle against teams like UK, Florida, and Missouri. We may find a way to beat those teams, but it won't be because we are more athletic.
-Skylar McBee is killing his team right now, on both ends of the court.
-If Trae Golden had Lopez's leadership abilities, he'd be twice the player. Conversely, if Lopez had Golden's skill-set, he'd would be too. Can we combine them?

In terms of Memphis, I imagine this is what their fans imagined them looking like. They seem to play to their level of competition. Pastner didn't necessarily out-coach Martin tonight, but he didn't find a way to lose this game from the bench. If nothing else, he has assembled a great group of athletic players with dynamic skill sets. Sometimes, you just get beat by a team that makes shots, despite your best effort. Joe Jackson is becoming a helluva PG. I thought the Rondo comparison by the announcers was pretty spot-on. He really played well. PG play was probably the biggest difference in the game.
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Chris, I agree with everything except the Rondo comparison. Being in Memphis, I have seen Jackson play a lot. He has really developed this year and get to the basket. But he still has bad turnover games. I view Rondo as a steady ball handler who can get to the basket but had an awful outside shot in college. Joe's shot is better but he is not as steady setting up the offense and handling the ball. Can also make poor decisions at times. He is a heck of an athlete but he will have trouble because if his lack of size.
 
#35
#35
VolGee4 said:
Chris, I agree with everything except the Rondo comparison. Being in Memphis, I have seen Jackson play a lot. He has really developed this year and get to the basket. But he still has bad turnover games. I view Rondo as a steady ball handler who can get to the basket but had an awful outside shot in college. Joe's shot is better but he is not as steady setting up the offense and handling the ball. Can also make poor decisions at times. He is a heck of an athlete but he will have trouble because if his lack of size.
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JJ does have a better shot at the same point in their careers. RR wasn't smartest collegiate player as well. He was also a bit of a diva at UK, much like JJ has been at times in Memphis. I think JJ's improvements have been in setting up the offense better than in previous seasons. He is a work in progress, but I personally see some Rondo in his game. I do agree though, that JJ is a better shooter and Rondo is a better facilitator at this point.
 
#36
#36
cncchris33 said:
JJ does have a better shot at the same point in their careers. RR wasn't smartest collegiate player as well. He was also a bit of a diva at UK, much like JJ has been at times in Memphis. I think JJ's improvements have been in setting up the offense better than in previous seasons. He is a work in progress, but I personally see some Rondo in his game. I do agree though, that JJ is a better shooter and Rondo is a better facilitator at this point.
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This comment aside, that call of the game may have been one of the worst I have heard, especially on an ESPN channel. Those two just seemed off. Probably not worse than our football pay per views though. I was watching my two young kids on my own while "watching" the game and may have missed some things, but I swear it was bad.
 
#37
#37
VolGee4 said:
This comment aside, that call of the game may have been one of the worst I have heard, especially on an ESPN channel. Those two just seemed off. Probably not worse than our football pay per views though. I was watching my two young kids on my own while "watching" the game and may have missed some things, but I swear it was bad.
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I don't remember it being particularly awful, but I fast forwarded through much of the commentary during dead balls and timeouts. During the game, I couldn't hear them over myself bickering at our maddening play at times. LOL.
 
#38
#38
Chris, I won't be able to do the postgame report Wednesday. You mind doing it?
 
#39
#39
bleedingTNorange said:
Here's my issue...

The dude came out after halftime and in warmups drills 5/5 threes, WTF?

I get game and practice is different, but if the injury effects his shot it should be effecting it in shoot around too.
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Elbow doesn't seem to be bothering him during the half dozen hard fist pumps when his name is called in the starting rotation either.
 
#41
#41
I bet little Josh wet his pants when Tennessee was coming back. He is the will muschamp of basketball. he has a spaz attack every time something is called on his precious little team. I hope he's gone next year because he's a big ole loser.
 
#42
#42
omghulkhands said:
-Memphis shot about as good as you possibly can from the field and it was still a close game at the end. Memphis hit lots of contested 3 pointers and made at least 10 points worth of terrible running contested shots.

-I am not one to spend time with the mindless bashing of Skylar McBee, but something is clearly wrong. The elbow injury must be seriously bothering him as he just can't find his shooting stroke. He played poor defensively tonight, but you should expect that from him going up against such hyper athletic guards that Memphis has at their disposal. McBee was the catalyst last year to our excellent run in the SEC, he is not the same player we saw at times last year and something is clearly wrong.

-Josh Richardson has not developed.......he has EVOLVED into a leader and a pretty good scoring threat this year. I said a million times last year for everyone to be patient with him because he had all the tools and now you are seeing what I was talking about.

-Jordan McRae just caught fire. I don't even know what to say about it other than that. Jordan essentially bailed us out, got the crowd back into it and the big run started.

-We didn't play bad on defense, we didn't play good, but we certainly didn't play bad. A lot of the shots that Memphis made were just contested shots and it sucks, but that is just the way it is.

-Memphis has an effort problem. That team is so athletic it is mind boggling and they came in fired up and played a real hard 25 minutes of basketball and a real lazy 15 minutes that about got them beat. This is a serial problem having watched that group of players quite a bit the last couple of years.

-Maymon, Edwards, Reese, Miller

We played without those guys and were forced to do things like keep in a struggling McBee and sub in an overmatched Chevious. Golden is also clearly not right with his injury, but we hung in there. A lot of posters in the game thread were being overly critical of our team and were not factoring in issues like this.

-Memphis is a good basketball team guys, we don't want to admit as they are our big in-state rival, but they are. They have 3 losses and two of them came to top 10 teams.

-A lot of the fans quit on this team tonight, but you know who never quit? The team didn't. The vols rallied and got into position to actually win this game despite being down 21.
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Sounds a lot like moral victory talk. Tennessee played lethargic and sloppy most of the game. Turnovers and lazy d. If but for the unprecedented emergence of mccrae this is a blowout. Mccrae isn't consistent enough.

This team has no leadership and won't finish in top 4 of the conference. Sad, nut true.
 
#43
#43
UneducatedGuess said:
Sounds a lot like moral victory talk. Tennessee played lethargic and sloppy most of the game. Turnovers and lazy d. If but for the unprecedented emergence of mccrae this is a blowout. Mccrae isn't consistent enough.

This team has no leadership and won't finish in top 4 of the conference. Sad, nut true.
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I wouldn't call McRae's performance unprecedented. He has played like that before, but is, as you said, fairly inconsistent over his career Richardson's performance was unprecedented perhaps, as he is known as more of a defensive player.
 
#44
#44
johnnybravo said:
Elbow doesn't seem to be bothering him during the half dozen hard fist pumps when his name is called in the starting rotation either.
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Half dozen fist pumps? Dude completely came unglued with his best Ray Lewis impression.
 
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