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n_huffhines said:
Jets are 22nd in points surrendered. In their best game they surrendered 20 points.

Alex Smith is 1-1 in his playoff career (both home games, with a superb defense). Manning is 9-7 in the playoffs in the last 10 years (9 home games). Of those 16 games, Peyton is 6-2 when his D holds the opposition to less than 3 TDs. Alex Smith is 0-1.

If injuries are a concern, why not play him, and toss in Smith if/when Manning gets hurt? From what I hear this was not Harbaugh's concern. He wanted to call the plays.

BTW, Manning has a passer rating of 87+ in 6 straight playoff games (11 TDs, 4 INTs). Considering he's averaging 41 pass attempts per game over that stretch, that's a very low number of INTs (1.7% of throws). Smith completed 46% of his passes against NYG last year. The lowest Manning has had in 5 years is 60%.
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Why didn't you say Manning's career playoff record? How do you say Smith completed 46% against the Giants, and Manning hasn't completed less than 60%. You are picking and chiding random numbers. Smith would not have been there if Manning had signed. I'm not saying Smith is a top 5 QB. I just wish the fan base would support him. And trust I was one of the biggest anti-Smith guys around. But I trust Harbough.
 
#127
#127
BadJerry20 said:
Why didn't you say Manning's career playoff record? How do you say Smith completed 46% against the Giants, and Manning hasn't completed less than 60%. You are picking and chiding random numbers. Smith would not have been there if Manning had signed. I'm not saying Smith is a top 5 QB. I just wish the fan base would support him. And trust I was one of the biggest anti-Smith guys around. But I trust Harbough.
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Do you think Manning's playoff performance in 2000 has any bearing today? Do you think the Colts would have a better playoff record under Alex Smith?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do you think Manning's playoff performance in 2000 has any bearing today? Do you think the Colts would have a better playoff record under Alex Smith?
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Better question, do you think I honestly care. Smith IS the QB and I'll support him. I know everyone thinks is the second coming, I for one do not. So you can do you're "imagine if peyton was here" thing. I'll roll with the guy he have, and will smile when he is a world champion at the end of the year. Oh and that one championship will tie him.with peyton.
 
#129
#129
BadJerry20 said:
Better question, do you think I honestly care. Smith IS the QB and I'll support him. I know everyone thinks is the second coming, I for one do not. So you can do you're "imagine if peyton was here" thing. I'll roll with the guy he have, and will smile when he is a world champion at the end of the year. Oh and that one championship will tie him.with peyton.
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OK. That's a lot different than saying you'd rather have Smith which is what it sounded like initially. Good luck on that SB.
 
#130
#130
n_huffhines said:
OK. That's a lot different than saying you'd rather have Smith which is what it sounded like initially. Good luck on that SB.
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I would rather have Smith, I'm just over discussing it. I hear enough of the "if we had so and so talk" in the ff. The niners have the best team in the NFC, with Smith at QB. That's what I care about. No luck needed its gonna happen.
 
#131
#131
BadJerry20 said:
I would rather have Smith, I'm just over discussing it. I hear enough of the "if we had so and so talk" in the ff. The niners have the best team in the NFC, with Smith at QB. That's what I care about. No luck needed its gonna happen.
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IMO, you were over it when your position became untenable. You didn't want to answer this question, and the answer to this question negates your argument that Manning is less than stellar in the playoffs.

n_huffhines said:
Do you think the Colts would have a better playoff record under Alex Smith?
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#133
n_huffhines said:
IMO, you were over it when your position became untenable. You didn't want to answer this question, and the answer to this question negates your argument that Manning is less than stellar in the playoffs.
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I was over it because it was my opinion, and you are arguing my opinion. Peyton is 6-2 when the d held opposing teams under 3 tds? Correct. So that means he is 3-5 actually 3-9 if a team scores 21 on them. Going the last 10 years so he has a winning record in the playoffs is weak. How many picks did Peyton throw opening round of their super bowl run? The answer is 3. You wanna pick.and choose stats. Take out the super bowl run, his playoff record is what 6-11? Yeah that's greatness. And yes its possible with a game manager like Smith, some of those games Manning laid an egg in, in the playoffs may have been wins without the turnovers.
 
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#134
BadJerry20 said:
I was over it because it was my opinion, and you are arguing my opinion. Peyton is 6-2 when the d held opposing teams under 3 tds? Correct. So that means he is 3-5 actually 3-9 if a team scores 21 on them. Going the last 10 years so he has a winning record in the playoffs is weak. How many picks did Peyton throw opening round of their super bowl run? The answer is 3. You wanna pick.and choose stats. Take out the super bowl run, his playoff record is what 6-11? Yeah that's greatness. And yes its possible with a game manager like Smith, some of those games Manning laid an egg in, in the playoffs may have been wins without the turnovers.
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There are only 2 out of 19 career playoff games where you could confidently argue that (SD '08 and NE '03). BTW, Mr. Clutch Tom Brady has 3 postseason games with 3 picks. Manning has 2.

Brady has 20 postseason INTs or on 2.5% of his throws. Manning has 19 career postseason INTs or on 2.6% of his throws.

Let's face it, Manning's played mostly great in the playoffs. His record is a product of his teams over-achieving in the regular season. Stupid to downgrade him for that.
 
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#135
n_huffhines said:
There are only 2 out of 19 career playoff games where you could confidently argue that (SD '08 and NE '03). BTW, Mr. Clutch Tom Brady has 3 postseason games with 3 picks. Manning has 2.

Brady has 20 postseason INTs or on 2.5% of his throws. Manning has 19 career postseason INTs or on 2.6% of his throws.

Let's face it, Manning's played mostly great in the playoffs. His record is a product of his teams over-achieving in the regular season. Stupid to downgrade him for that.
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Well lucky for me I only needed one game to be able to answer your question about Smith. Brady 3 rings, Manning 1. Picking and choosing stats for your arguments sake again I see. Funny how now the Colts overachieved. Not stupid to downgrade someone for playoff record. His game dipped in the playoffs its plain and simple. BTW on one guy is Mr Clutch and his name was Montana!
 
#136
#136
BadJerry20 said:
Well lucky for me I only needed one game to be able to answer your question about Smith. Brady 3 rings, Manning 1. Picking and choosing stats for your arguments sake again I see. Funny how now the Colts overachieved. Not stupid to downgrade someone for playoff record. His game dipped in the playoffs its plain and simple. BTW on one guy is Mr Clutch and his name was Montana!
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This is what I don't get. People claim stuff like this and ridicule Manning simply because his team was not good enough to win. Playoff stats are earned against better teams. It's normal for a QB's stats to dip in the playoffs.

Brady Regular Season: 249.6 ypg, 64%, 5.6 TD%, and 2.1 INT%
Brady Playoffs: 240.2 ypg, 63%, 4.8 TD%, and 2.5 INT%

Manning Regular Season: 264.5 ypg, 65%, 5.5 TD%, and 2.7 INT%
Manning Playoffs: 283.6 ypg, 63%, 3.8 TD%, and 2.6 INT%

The weird thing is, most of Manning's stats don't dip in the playoffs.....SMH.
 
#137
#137
n_huffhines said:
This is what I don't get. People claim stuff like this and ridicule Manning simply because his team was not good enough to win. Playoff stats are earned against better teams. It's normal for a QB's stats to dip in the playoffs.

Brady Regular Season: 249.6 ypg, 64%, 5.6 TD%, and 2.1 INT%
Brady Playoffs: 240.2 ypg, 63%, 4.8 TD%, and 2.5 INT%

Manning Regular Season: 264.5 ypg, 65%, 5.5 TD%, and 2.7 INT%
Manning Playoffs: 283.6 ypg, 63%, 3.8 TD%, and 2.6 INT%

The weird thing is, most of Manning's stats don't dip in the playoffs.....SMH.
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That's a pretty sizable dip in td% wouldn't you say? Around 10pts worth per average game. That's pretty big man. And who said anything about Brady??? People are critical of him because his regular season winning percentage against his playoff is huge. Its a fair critique. I know nobody should ever say a negative thing about Manning, but it is what it is. All this over my opinion that I'd rather have Smith at this point, is ridiculous. I feel bad for the niners fans that come in here and have to read this mindless
arguing. Especially since its woulda coulda bullsh!t. My apologies San Fran fans, I think he's still mad that Dan was a better player than Ian. Lulz
 
#138
#138
BadJerry20 said:
That's a pretty sizable dip in td% wouldn't you say? Around 10pts worth per average game. That's pretty big man. And who said anything about Brady??? People are critical of him because his regular season winning percentage against his playoff is huge. Its a fair critique. I know nobody should ever say a negative thing about Manning, but it is what it is. All this over my opinion that I'd rather have Smith at this point, is ridiculous. I feel bad for the niners fans that come in here and have to read this mindless
arguing. Especially since its woulda coulda bullsh!t. My apologies San Fran fans, I think he's still mad that Dan was a better player than Ian. Lulz
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WTF? You're in over your head. If he makes 40 throws then that is 4.8 points per game by way of passing TDs, but that doesn't factor in how points from rushing TDs and FGs fill part of that gap.

I don't care to look back farther than his last 8 playoff runs, but in those seasons Manning's teams averaged 27.4 ppg, and in the playoffs averaged 24.5 ppg. That is a really nice result considering you face generally better defense in the playoffs.
 
#139
#139
n_huffhines said:
WTF? You're in over your head. If he makes 40 throws then that is 4.8 points per game by way of passing TDs, but that doesn't factor in how points from rushing TDs and FGs fill part of that gap.

I don't care to look back farther than his last 8 playoff runs, but in those seasons Manning's teams averaged 27.4 ppg, and in the playoffs averaged 24.5 ppg. That is a really nice result considering you face generally better defense in the playoffs.
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Dude I dont care, go back to the Denver forum and talk about if the get home field they can make the super bowl. They are not getting home field, they might not win the worst division in football. And I dont care where they play them, the Texans will curb stomp them. It's obvious you have your Peyton pajamas on and will use no objectivity. I'm a niners fan, I'd rather have Smith. You love peyton it's a stupid arguing to be arguing thing at this point. Like I said I'll be smiling when Smith is a champion at years in.

You dont go back farther 8 years cause it messes with your pick and choose stats. And a dip of 1.7 td% is a big dip and I seriously doubt his attempts per increase that drastically, since he was always toward the top in attempts.
 
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#140
#140
BadJerry20 said:
Dude I dont care, go back to the Denver forum and talk about if the get home field they can make the super bowl. They are not getting home field, they might not win the worst division in football. And I dont care where they play them, the Texans will curb stomp them. It's obvious you have your Peyton pajamas on and will use no objectivity. I'm a niners fan, I'd rather have Smith. You love peyton it's a stupid arguing to be arguing thing at this point. Like I said I'll be smiling when Smith is a champion at years in.

You dont go back farther 8 years cause it messes with your pick and choose stats. And a dip of 1.7 td% is a big dip and I seriously doubt his attempts per increase that drastically, since he was always toward the top in attempts.
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LMAO at the irony. Nobody would take Smith over Peyton, except I guess a Niners fan.

You obviously do care, otherwise you wouldn't respond with 2 large paragraphs.
 
#141
#141
n_huffhines said:
LMAO at the irony. Nobody would take Smith over Peyton, except I guess a Niners fan.

You obviously do care, otherwise you wouldn't respond with 2 large paragraphs.
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You do realize this is a niners thread right? By the way I heard a few talking heads say they would take Smith. And nobody but a Peyton fan would honestly believe the broncos have any shot at the super bowl. So I guess that makes our objectivity on this subject equal. Even though idk how saying im a niners fan and id rather have smith makes unobjective
. Trust me man i have beem.extremly critical of smith. But i am very happy with his progress under harbough. Btw I saw a poll on sports nation before the season and like 32% of America chose Smith. But maybe the poll you took.was more accurate. Lulz
 
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#143
#143
n_huffhines said:
When did I say the Broncos are going to the Super Bowl?

Who were these talking heads?
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You said in the Denver thread, something like, we need home field or no super bowl run. To even be entertaining the idea of a super bowl in the least is laughable. They might not even win the worst division in football. That's purely peyton love talking.

I heard analysts on ESPN say it before the season started. Just ignoring the sports nation poll that I mentioned? You are saying what you are saying in this thread and the Denver thread because of your peyton love. And that's fine, no need to.get your panties in a bunch because not everyone agrees with you. You have your view on it, I have mine. Its really that simple. Except you wanna drag it out because someone doesn't want the great peyton Manning. Its happens bro, not everyone idolizes the guy.
 
#145
#145
n_huffhines said:
I don't think I can take you on your word. You were already way off on a few things, like:



If you have a link, I'd love to look at this poll you referenced.
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Says the man that tried to act stupid about the Denver super bowl comment. Your picking and choosing is laughable at this point. How many pts did the colts average in the regular season as opposed to the playoffs? Now tell me how far off my 10 pt claim was? It was something I saw before the season. Google it, I dont care to do it. And obviously you love to Google stats to help your case. Of course you only pick ones that help you argument. Again it's who I.would rather have, maybe you are too obtuse to understand what that means. But at this point I no longer care to argue over who I would rather have. If ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy man.
 
#146
#146
n_huffhines said:
I don't think I can take you on your word. You were already way off on a few things, like:



If you have a link, I'd love to look at this poll you referenced.
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One last thing, I dont know how you don't understand that a 1.7% dip in td% is a big dip. Like I said I'm sure his attempts per game were close to the same. Of course that's another stat that you choose to ignore.
 
#147
#147
BadJerry20 said:
Says the man that tried to act stupid about the Denver super bowl comment. Your picking and choosing is laughable at this point. How many pts did the colts average in the regular season as opposed to the playoffs? Now tell me how far off my 10 pt claim was? It was something I saw before the season. Google it, I dont care to do it. And obviously you love to Google stats to help your case. Of course you only pick ones that help you argument. Again it's who I.would rather have, maybe you are too obtuse to understand what that means. But at this point I no longer care to argue over who I would rather have. If ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy man.
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Your estimate was more than double what the reality of the situation is, so I guess it was pretty far off.

You're in way over your head.
 
#148
#148
n_huffhines said:
Your estimate was more than double what the reality of the situation is, so I guess it was pretty far off.

You're in way over your head.
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Lol I'm in over my head. The colts averaged 22.4 pts per game in the playoffs. So you are saying the averaged less than 26 in the regular? Cause that would be more than double what I said. Of their 19 games, 11 times they had 20 or less. Their average is blown up because of 4 games over 35. You said if the d held teams under 3 tds. Well 3 times the d held the opposing team to 21 or less and they lost. Yep seems like the same potent offense they had in the regular season. Man I wish I wasn't in over my head. Lulz
 
#149
#149
Manning's playoff average: 22.4 ppg
Manning's regular season average*: 26.8 ppg

4.4 ppg is the difference, and yes 10 ppg would be more than 2 times that.

*only counting seasons where they reached the playoffs
 
#150
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BTW, remember how I mentioned defense is better in the playoffs? Manning's playoff opponents have been unbelievable defensively and surrendered on average 17.7 ppg* in the regular season, so scoring 22.4 ppg on them is pretty damn good.

Let's cut out the seasons where Manning clearly had growing pains (when you were in grade school), and just focus on the last decade. 17.5 ppg vs 24.5 ppg....a whole TD better.

*That would make you a top 5 D most seasons.
 
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