The Opposing Views of Volnation

#26
#26
If UT wins out, finish 10-2 with a major bowl and likely SEC East, just like the majority of the VN posters projected. Some were 9-3 (even 8-4)and some at 11-1 (even 12-0). Not really sure why everyone is complaining so much
 
#28
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Catbone said:
I'm very happy we went 2-2. I'm very angry we can barely field a team because of 20 injuries and 5 starters that are out for the year.
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This is honestly my biggest issue. I know injuries happen, but it's half of our team.
 
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#32
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DancingOutlaw said:
There are three camps:
NegaVols- Team is pathetic fire everyone

PosiVols- A winning attitude and loyal fans will always beat multiple #1 recruiting classes

Adults- Those of us that do not pin our mental wellbeing on a game played by stranger's kids. Yes we lost to Bama. That should not be surprising nor a cause for
despair. Let's look forward to the next game.
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You left out Trolls who tend to kick the crust off the cow pile. 💩💩💩
 
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#35
#35
Let's be positive, get healthy, and win as many games as possible. CBJ is working hard.
 
#37
#37
Honestly, I am recovering from Hamiltonitis... First, he extended Fulmer's contract after Dangerous Dave Cutcliffe returns as OC and the Vols bounce back from a 5-6 2005 season to go 9-4 in 2006 and 10-4 in 2007, including SECe rep in the CCG and an Outback Bowl victory over Wisconsin. Dave takes the job at Duke, and the Vols drop to 5-7 in 2008. Hamilton negotiates and announces Fulmer's impending exit before the season ends, hoping to get a jump on the competition for a good coach. This doesn't happen. Nobody wants to work for an inept AD like Hamilton. Everyone worth salt demurs. Hamilton winds up hiring jobless jerk, Lame Kitten, who disrespects Tennessee tradition, shamelessly violates NCAA rules, recruits immoral deviants, and "improves" upon Fulmer's prior year record by ONE victory. "El Kay" then bolts for his dream job at USCw, holding a press conference on UT's campus no less, while his loyal lieutenants attempt to flip Tennessee recruits to USCw. After this fiasco, absolutely nobody wants the Tennessee HC job. But wait! A frosh HC with an initial successful year at Houston might be interested... Hamilton chooses to hire Derek Dooley, the son of long-time UGA coach, Vince Dooley, a former minion of Nick Saban, and a "junior" HC with a 17-20 record at Sunbelt so-so, LA Tech. [facepalm] Dooley's only accomplishment is input into the design of the new football facility. He sucks at leading a program, he sucks at recruiting, he sucks at coaching, he turns over at least six positions on his staff each year, including OC and DC each year, AND, he compiles a 15-21 record, leaving his successor ~50-something scholarship athletes on the roster.

Luckily, Hamilton is eased out, and the only AD willing to take the job, Hart gives Dools his walking papers as he's able to afford it (Yes, Hamilton wrecked the men's athletics finances.). So, with the cupboard bare in every sense imaginable Hart goes shopping for a new HC. Luckily for all impacted, there's a coach who wants the job, sees it as an ultimate destination opportunity, and is willing to take it on even in post-firebombed Dresden condition. Butch Jones.

So, I am patient. I'm pleased with the progress - recruiting, field results, academic results, VFL & fan buy-in reinvigorated. From 5-7 to 7-6 to 9-4 to 5-2 mid-season year 4 of the resurrection of Tennessee Volunteers football. In my point of view, Butch has earned to date an open-ended engagement as HC. Until such time as he commits an unpardonable sin or demonstrates without any doubt that the Vols have hit a short ceiling under his tutelage, let him keep stacking the bricks.

I know... I have gray hairs at the temples. Having witnessed so many decades of Tennessee football, I see through the glass, darkly. Life has given me perspective that whippersnappers have yet to form, much less grasp.

Plainly, Butch can take the Vols higher. He can rebuild the foundation of the program even stronger. Prudence dictates letting him do so. GBO.
 
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#38
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There are 3 camps:
1:extreme left- we came from terrible to top ten in 4 years, on the right track , blind faith that we continue to lmprove and get to "Bama" level. Ignore or pretend they don't exist any signs that we may have road blocks preventing the above.(struggles against Ohio,appy , Georgia ,sloppy play, recruiting maybe down, conservative coaching, player development etc..)
2:extreme right: wanted to go from terrible to national champs in 4 years, hasn't happened, coach is a failure, needs to be replaced! Ignores the progress in wins, rankings talent etc. and the fact that we have gotten better each year.
3: middle (90%) sees the progress , happy with where we are, hopeful we continue and get to the "Bama" level, Also see that there are a lot of things that will have to get better,
And it is still to be determined if CBJ can get us there, but has done enough so far, to stil have hope he can:
The middle: considered to be right by the left,
And left by the right!!
 
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#39
#39
Sarms58 said:
There are some in the middle who recognize we're not where we want to be but we are improving each year and yes it takes time...having worked as a consultant for organizations in trouble I can tell you it does take time to change culture and upgrade talent...of course out in the business world I wasn't limited as to how many new managers, supervisors, engineers or programmers I could bring in so we could turn and organization around in the eighteen month to three year timeframe...

Getting back on the coaching change carousel at this point would be a mistake in my opinion...we don't know where Butch is going to plateau. Also, he has already shown the willingness to fire a long time assistant so I don't think any of his assistants are sacred cows (a problem Phil had)...

Call it sunshine pumping if you want but inertia is a powerful force and I don't think you stop a train moving in the right direction...Phil started with SEC Championship talent and in six short years won his first title...it would be premature to change coaches before 2018...
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oh good grief. I don't even know where to start with this nonsense. Good coaches do not take 6 years to compete for championships. There are a handful of exceptions, but hoping Butch will be one is just crazy.
 
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