The Pembroke Postgame Report.

#26
#26
That Feinsten(sp) remark was funny. Saw her on tv yesterday. I agree with Chism playing to his competition.Memphis will be no easy game, that's for certain. The inability to score effectively from outside will eventually be our undoing true. Thanks again Hat.This stuff should be on main forum as opposed to numerous redundant coaching threads about a coach who has done nothing yet, but hey,that's just me.
 
#27
#27
lidderer said:
And I'll take prince, who finishes with a regularity that hopson just does not have yet--but likely will. Scotty is gonna grow beyond JP, but for now I'm more than content with prince being the go-to on inside drives and cutters.
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Then you'll lose. Tyler makes most of his shots, JP does not.
 
#28
#28
I'm just glad to see Bruce look like he's doing some coaching. I thought our guys played within themselves and played with much more focus than usual. Watching Scotty Hopson develop his game is exciting and I thought Maze controlled the tempo very well in the second half. All in all, it seemed like a much more "scripted" offense than we have run most of the year. Defense was somewhat better but still had glaring holes.
 
#29
#29
My thoughts after this game:

1) Vandy looked terrible, but it's hard place to play (what a ridiculous court) and so a nice win.

2) Thought the defense was a bit improved--but, again, Vandy was bad. The dores had 11 points with about 8 minutes to go in the first half, I recall--and that wasn't so much due to UT's smothering defense as their ineptitude, so the jury remains out.

3) The Vols, like most teams, are better when they are scoring inside. This is especially important this year given how weak this team's outside shooting is--even though, yes, The Chis made a two (or more?) treys last night. I guess this means he'll keep shooting them!

4) Maze is a pretty*good player but is not assertive enough...Look at the Wake PG--he's got nice skills but they are not spectacular, but he plays aggressively, attacks the basket and can both score and dish...Maze needs to be more aggressive.

5) Prince? Very one-dimensional player.

It's early days, but my guess is that this team will be anywhere from a 5 to 10 seed in the NCAA tourney--and we'll know a lot more after the next three games. I'm seeing one win and done.
 
#30
#30
Hardwood_fanatic said:
I definately think its possible. I think it would be more than acceptable to go 2 out of 3 during this swing, but its not out of the question that UT could win all 3 games. Its obviously no secret to anyone on this board that UT has to play SOLID defense against Memphis and Florida. Calathes can hit you up for several points just like Meeks, if he is not checked. Memphis is struggling a bit offensively, but they run like crazy. If you can't get back in transition, your gonna watch alot of lay-ups. I really don't see a huge issue with LSU. I have not seen them play yet, but it seems that their record is due to a cupcake schedule in the pre-conference portion. (Much like UK). As long as the offense is running on all cylinders, should be a W.
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That's what I'm thinking... especially if they can continue to play the way they have for most of the last two games.

Of course, if they regress to Kentucky, Gonzaga, Belmont and so on game levels, all bets are off.
 
#31
#31
hohenfelsvol said:
Then you'll lose. Tyler makes most of his shots, JP does not.
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2pt fgs made/attempted:

Prince: 57-93: 61.2%
Smith: 93-185: 50.2%

I think we're just talking about two different things here though. Clearly tyler is the better option regardless of the method you want to go about acheiving a bucket. Prince just has a great ability to slash inside and get good looks--yes, his penchant for blundering after that 'work' can be frustrating, but 61% is pretty great for 2 point fgs.

His lazy demeanour and what seems like just the worst kind of attitude ever make me think he might be too stubbourn and wrongly self-assured to take well to adjustments though.
 
#32
#32
Lofton4Three said:
Have you seen the 5000 missed layups from Prince this year?

I'll gladly take anyone over Prince slashing...and yes that even includes Stevie Ray Pearl.

Prince's poor attitude and laziness is two main reasons I wouldn't mind if he ever stepped foot on the floor again.
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I agree completely about the last paragraph--he's a hard player to like, and his horribleness in every other facet of the game only adds to that.

But putting persona aside, he's been really effective this year(see above post) so I'm not really that bothered if he gets some minutes and does that one thing he does right.
 
#34
#34
lidderer said:
2pt fgs made/attempted:

Prince: 57-93: 61.2%
Smith: 93-185: 50.2%

I think we're just talking about two different things here though. Clearly tyler is the better option regardless of the method you want to go about acheiving a bucket. Prince just has a great ability to slash inside and get good looks--yes, his penchant for blundering after that 'work' can be frustrating, but 61% is pretty great for 2 point fgs.

His lazy demeanour and what seems like just the worst kind of attitude ever make me think he might be too stubbourn and wrongly self-assured to take well to adjustments though.
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Two things... We were talking about in the paint and the second is look at the amount of shots that Tyler has taken which is double what Prince has taken. My money would still be on Tyler.
 
#35
#35
hohenfelsvol said:
Two things... We were talking about in the paint and the second is look at the amount of shots that Tyler has taken which is double what Prince has taken. My money would still be on Tyler.
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1st point: We were talking about a specific kind of paint point. If the entry pass is to the paint, well of course you want something like wayne or tyler when he has to man-up down there. But we're talking about slashing to the basket.


2nd point: It sounds like you're suggesting that by the time JP hits 185 or so attempts that he will have dropped 11 whole percentage points. That's an awfully bold prediction. It means he's gonna shoot around 38% the rest of the way out. That's not gonna come close to happening.

It really is a shame that he is so one-dimensional though.
 
#36
#36
lidderer said:
I agree completely about the last paragraph--he's a hard player to like, and his horribleness in every other facet of the game only adds to that.

But putting persona aside, he's been really effective this year(see above post) so I'm not really that bothered if he gets some minutes and does that one thing he does right.
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Stats don't lie. However Tyler has taken about double the shots. But, his persona can not be separated...

Also, keep in mind the points he gives up on defense with stupid fouls, and being out of position.
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#37
#37
Lofton4Three said:
Stats don't lie. However Tyler has taken about double the shots. But, his persona can not be separated...

Also, keep in mind the points he gives up on defense with stupid fouls, and being out of position.
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I think much of this was covered up above.

But to clarify: of course prince is a liability in other aspects. He is not half the player tyler is, overall.
I only mean that he is particularly strong in this one regard.
 
#38
#38
Excellent post, hat.
Re #4: can Maze and Tabb be that effective? In other words, how high (or low) -- in your opinion -- is the guard-play-ceiling with these two guys?
 
#39
#39
kidbourbon said:
Excellent post, hat.
Re #4: can Maze and Tabb be that effective? In other words, how high (or low) -- in your opinion -- is the guard-play-ceiling with these two guys?
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Maze has shown flashes of being able to do more offensively when he aggressively looks to score. Tabb is pretty much who he is going to be. They aren't going to suddenly improve by leaps and bounds, but a little more of a scorer's mentality for Maze and elimination of plays like the ridiculous lob attempt by Tabb would make a discernable difference in this team.
 
#40
#40
lidderer said:
1st point: We were talking about a specific kind of paint point. If the entry pass is to the paint, well of course you want something like wayne or tyler when he has to man-up down there. But we're talking about slashing to the basket.


2nd point: It sounds like you're suggesting that by the time JP hits 185 or so attempts that he will have dropped 11 whole percentage points. That's an awfully bold prediction. It means he's gonna shoot around 38% the rest of the way out. That's not gonna come close to happening.

It really is a shame that he is so one-dimensional though.
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If Tyler sucked as bad as JP or was as selfish then he get a lot of clean up points due to defenders sagging off him since he's not a threat to shoot and easy transition buckets. JP Prince gets a bunch of cheap uncontested points most of the time - that's why he's shooting better inside.
 
#41
#41
Bassmanbruno said:
If Tyler sucked as bad as JP or was as selfish then he get a lot of clean up points due to defenders sagging off him since he's not a threat to shoot and easy transition buckets. JP Prince gets a bunch of cheap uncontested points most of the time - that's why he's shooting better inside.
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This is true up to a point, but Tyler takes an awful lot of lower percentage shots as is.

I'm not even sure we should be faulting a guy for getting clean up baskets either, as though that's not an incredibly prized ability.

Whoever it was that made the case for Hopson over JP in this particular area was probably more on-point, because I'm not sure who in their right mind would think Tyler would be better than JP or Hopson or a lot of wing-type players at the kind of thing we're talking about.

Tyler is the vastly superior player to JP. That's not really be questioned here.
 
#42
#42
I know Tyler takes a lot of crazy shots. But the clean up points I was trying to refer to are the ones that actually come from JP being a completely lazy player or bad defender..

For example: against USCjr... JP tried to overplay a pass when he was guarding some guy on a wing and he missed and was near half court out of position and was trying to recover... then the USCjr guy passed it off to another player who quickly tried to pass it back but threw it behind him - to where? That's right you guessed it - to JP Prince who was stumbling after being beat and trying to recover who takes the ball and slams it for an uncontested dunk.

I don't know how many times JP has gotten lucky with crap like the ball bouncing off someone's knee into him for an uncontested dunk - or he slacks back on defense and takes a risk assuming we have the ball and runs out ahead of everyone before we actually have possession and will get a quick 2. But it's quite a bit - more so than any player on our team... kinda like the Hopson dunk off the missed 1 and 1 FT from Tyler last night... there's no reason Hopson should've gotten an offense rebound AND an uncontested dunk off a missed FT.
 
#43
#43
hatvol96 said:
Maze has shown flashes of being able to do more offensively when he aggressively looks to score. Tabb is pretty much who he is going to be. They aren't going to suddenly improve by leaps and bounds, but a little more of a scorer's mentality for Maze and elimination of plays like the ridiculous lob attempt by Tabb would make a discernable difference in this team.
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How good defensively would you say Vandy's guards are? I saw Maze attack off the dribble more last night than I had all season and he looked much quicker. But since I hadn't seen it much before last night, I assumed it might be as a result of their weakness as opposed to a new found strength of his.
 
#44
#44
NochNoch said:
How good defensively would you say Vandy's guards are? I saw Maze attack off the dribble more last night than I had all season and he looked much quicker. But since I hadn't seen it much before last night, I assumed it might be as a result of their weakness as opposed to a new found strength of his.
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Maze has shown he has the ability to attack. He simply doesn't have that mindset right now or chooses not to.

Regardless, Vandy has little ability to defend at any spot on the floor. The big, lazy looking 2-3 suits them well and we don't attack it very well.
 
#46
#46
BigPapaVol said:
Maze has shown he has the ability to attack. He simply doesn't have that mindset right now or chooses not to.
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Well when he came in, I thought it was supposed to be a strong suit for him. Hasn't really seemed like he had it in him so far. Haven't seen every game though so maybe my sample size is just too small.

hatvol96 said:
They're ok, nothing special. Tinsley is pretty bad.
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I hadn't seen them play before last night so I wasn't sure but that was the impression I was left with.
 
#47
#47
Look, Prince is lazy on d...so has everyone wing defender besides Tabb on the team this year. When JP drives to the hole, its usually going in and he's also a decent passer, he can find the open man...I think Hopson needs to drive full out and not stop for a lil 8 footer b/c he hasn't hit em' that much. Prince drives to the hole hard and makes good shots. Also JP hasn't been healthy this year and he cleans up the offensive glass as good as a wing can. To me, he is a good player, one-dimensional, but still, a good player.
 
#48
#48
zjcvols said:
Look, Prince is lazy on d...so has everyone wing defender besides Tabb on the team this year. When JP drives to the hole, its usually going in and he's also a decent passer, he can find the open man...I think Hopson needs to drive full out and not stop for a lil 8 footer b/c he hasn't hit em' that much. Prince drives to the hole hard and makes good shots. Also JP hasn't been healthy this year and he cleans up the offensive glass as good as a wing can. To me, he is a good player, one-dimensional, but still, a good player.
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He is not a good player. Not by any definition of the word "good".
 
#49
#49
kidbourbon said:
He is not a good player. Not by any definition of the word "good".
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Main Entry:
good
Pronunciation:
\ˈgu̇d\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
bet·ter \ˈbe-tər\ ; best \ˈbest\
Etymology:

1 of a favorable character or tendency <good news>

2 an ability to shoot above 60% 2 pt fgs when performed by a non-center in Naismith's Basketball game, regardless of that player's other abilities within said game.
 
#50
#50
lidderer said:
Main Entry:
good
Pronunciation:
\&#712;gu&#775;d\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
bet·ter \&#712;be-t&#601;r\ ; best \&#712;best\
Etymology:

1 of a favorable character or tendency <good news>

2 an ability to shoot above 60% 2 pt fgs when performed by a non-center in Naismith's Basketball game, regardless of that player's other abilities within said game.
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:)

Look, he's a good player. Is he great? no, but at the beginning of the year through the first few games he was our best wing player before he got hurt. Without his 16 points against Vandy, he might not win that game. And also he is a very good offensive rebounder for his position
 
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