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Ducreux

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As someone well versed in statistics I understand 'normal variation'....I understand 'trends'....unfortunately I don't think that's what we have here....what we have is the center...the 'norm'...mean, median, mode...has shifted due to multiple causes or influences and not just one 'special cause'....we are no longer an elite program.....

I wonder if our leadership, decision makers, those empowered realize this....

I wonder long it will be before this is understood and accepted by others and we begin to see the consequences...
 
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mean, median, and mode aren't the same thing.

Ducreux said:
As someone well versed in statistics I understand 'normal variation'....I understand 'trends'....unfortunately I don't think that's what we have here....what we have is the center...the 'norm'...mean, median, mode...has shifted due to multiple causes or influences and not just one 'special cause'....we are no longer an elite program.....

I wonder if our leadership, decision makers, those empowered realize this....

I wonder long it will be before this is understood and accepted by others and we begin to see the consequences...
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VolFaninV said:
mean, median, and mode aren't the same thing.
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I'm going to show great restraint here....of course they aren't the same...that was my intention...to suggest that no matter the tool selected indications are the program is neither stable or capable...once again showing restraint...
 
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Ducreux said:
I'm going to show great restraint here....of course they aren't the same...that was my intention...to suggest that no matter the tool selected indications are the program is neither stable or capable...once again showing restraint...
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Sorry I have an MBA, not a number's cruncher, but if your point is we have begun to accept mediocrity then I'll cut through your mishmash and agree.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
just curious, but why does every other poster feel the need to be a jerk to everyone else?
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I agree - why not enjoy each other's opinions and learn from them? Those that attack have the problem. If you don't agree, state you don't agree and why without all the vitriol. Even trolls should do it that way.

OP - you are probably correct. However, the business aspect at the UTAD has traditionally driven changes in leadership of programs, not the W/L and results. They ride the gravy train as long as people will feed them the cash. The LVs are in transition on the court. Jury's out as to whether that is a good thing or bad thing. But excessive turnovers, poor shooting, and erratic play by starters has been a thorn in the side of the program going back several years to when Pat was still HC.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
just curious, but why does every other poster feel the need to be a jerk to everyone else?
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I'm afraid that VN is simply a reflection of the whole of society. Civility has gone by the wayside. People seem to think the world revolves around them and their opinion is the only correct one or they simply must make fun of others. The worst it's been in my 60 years. Sad really.
 
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The only sport we ever been elite for a 20 year span is LADY VOL BASKET BALL, we have been elite in football for a couple of 15 years run other than that, we have always been trying to get there, I think Coach Jones is on his way to bringing TENNESSEE FOOTBALL back to elite, a little more time and we will be there, our Mens Basketball has never been elite and we never will we have had a couple of 5 years run we are a Football school, like Kentucky they will never be elite in football just the way it is, been fan for 43 years it has always been this way.
 
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Hart has bigger fish to fry running a bankrupt AD where are of the major programs are struggling. There are no resources and no time to devote to women's basketball. There is no urgency to be elite and the AD will be fine with us just being competitive. We won the SEC last year. They aren't going to make a change unless the wheels come off and that will take some time to happen. There will be no proactive moves.

So Holly has to get this thing turned around and people have to support her because there is no help on the way, and griping from the fanbase won't effect change like it can with the major men's programs.
 
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22 turnovers 1 3pt basket in at home is not the Norm I agree, but neither is the Coach.
She is in over her head....

Turnovers = coaching

Both men's and women's basketball looks like pick up games in the park. Neither team has a sense of urgency. Just going through the motions
 
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Ducreux said:
As someone well versed in statistics I understand 'normal variation'....I understand 'trends'....unfortunately I don't think that's what we have here....what we have is the center...the 'norm'...mean, median, mode...has shifted due to multiple causes or influences and not just one 'special cause'....we are no longer an elite program.....

I wonder if our leadership, decision makers, those empowered realize this....

I wonder long it will be before this is understood and accepted by others and we begin to see the consequences...
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The consequences of complacency , incompetence in high places, and bad decisions. The ship was sailing along, no one noticed the leaks, she began to sink.
 
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As Mark Twain said, quoting Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
 
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Vols4us said:
I agree - why not enjoy each other's opinions and learn from them? Those that attack have the problem. If you don't agree, state you don't agree and why without all the vitriol. Even trolls should do it that way.

OP - you are probably correct. However, changes in leadership of programs, not the W/L and the business aspect at the UTAD has traditionally driven results. They ride the gravy train as long as people will feed them the cash. The LVs are in transition on the court. Jury's out as to whether that is a good thing or bad thing. But excessive turnovers, poor shooting, and erratic play by starters has been a thorn in the side of the program going back several years to when Pat was still HC.
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"changes in leadership of programs, not the W/L and the business aspect at the UTAD has traditionally driven results"

This is an excellent observation and in my opinion a textbook example of something I learned in the early 80's while obtaining my MBA from Columbia.. and that is that 85% of a companies/organizations problems are the direct result of management' and not its (workers)'...my statistics professor was W. Edwards Deming ...if you are familair with Deming you know he accomplished much more in the 'real world', industry and business' than the world of academia, and was my favorite contraiian...
 
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volsteel said:
No other way for those people (clowns/Jerks) to feel relevant.
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Exactly...I make every attempt to be supportive, civil and appreciative but at times its difficult...the anonymity and the opportunity to denigrate or even minimize someone they consider superior in the real world is too tempting....
 
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The women's basketball program has been an emblem of success for the University of Tennessee for 25 years or so. It is arguably the most successful sports program UT has ever had. I think it also generates a fair chunk of revenue for the athletic department. I doubt Hart is dumb enough to let it wither or continue to slide. Warlick is a good person but she was a content loyal lieutenant for nearly 30 years. Thirty-year loyal lieutenants who are near the end of their careers don't suddenly become excellent head coaches--and we have seen that already with Warlick. She has done some good things, but she doesn't seem able to turn this group of talent--and make no mistake, there is a lot of talent on this team--into a team that can butt heads with, and beat, the other top teams in the country. When we face other talented teams, who are well coached, the odds are high that we will get beat. That's been the pattern for a while now.
 
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Voluble2 said:
Hart has bigger fish to fry running a bankrupt AD where are of the major programs are struggling. There are no resources and no time to devote to women's basketball. There is no urgency to be elite and the AD will be fine with us just being competitive. We won the SEC last year. They aren't going to make a change unless the wheels come off and that will take some time to happen. There will be no proactive moves.

So Holly has to get this thing turned around and people have to support her because there is no help on the way, and griping from the fanbase won't effect change like it can with the major men's programs.
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This is an excellent post and I'm afraid you might be right...I just hope this proud program, the one that was THE PRIMARY factor for bringing womens basketball into the modern era isn't allowed to flounder....Summitt, the leadership that allowed her to do the job the right way and the fans deserve better....much better...
 
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VolFootballlover said:
just curious, but why does every other poster feel the need to be a jerk to everyone else?
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I used to be that way then I realized just offering good, straightforward opinions and the occasional attempt at comedy earns more respect from fellow posters. I admit I'm still a work in progress.
 
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Ducreux said:
Exactly...I make every attempt to be supportive, civil and appreciative but at times its difficult...the anonymity and the opportunity to denigrate or even minimize someone they consider superior in the real world is too tempting....
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ok man, that's enough. You need to remember some on here see your posts elsewhere when you come in misinformed with a bad attitude. I was going to roll with being quiet until I read your above post.
 
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