The race hustlers in the Democratic Party strike again

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Rickyvol77 said:
Except he did so after they confessed to the crime. Also the Central Park 5 admitted was involved in several other crimes during that night including the assault and robbery of another male jogger
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Why take out those ads in the first place, unless you want to further stoke racial tensions in NYC? And why not acknowledge the innocence of those five youths of the attack on Trisha Meili from 1989, following the DNA evidence which proved the guilt of Matias Reyes?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I just told you what he has done and it is significant. Affirmative Action is popular in the black community. Trump reversed an Obama era policy on Affirmative Action in schools in 2018.
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You haven’t demonstrated 1 damn thing he has done to hurt the AA community. You think AAs can only be successful with affirmative action? From the AAs I know none GAS about affirmative action.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Liberals don't think their candidates are fair game. Whitey is bad when it's a conservative/ Republican.
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That is not true. Michael Bloomberg's policy of "stop and frisk" as Mayor of NYC is completely fair game, and one reason why he didn't compete better in South Carolina... and why his overall popularity has been dropping.
 
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hog88 said:
You haven’t demonstrated 1 damn thing he has done to hurt the AA community. You think AAs can only be successful with affirmative action? From the AAs I know none GAS about affirmative action.
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No... but polls show that the majority of African-Americans do believe that the policy of Affirmative Action has been of great benefit to their community and has given them a "foot in the door" in many places where they have previously been the targets of discrimination.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
15-20% minimum with current Dem candidates.

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The fact that Trump is even having to hold a campaign rally in South Carolina at all should be a red flag to Republicans. That is obviously a bright red state with two Republican Senators and a Republican Governor. Show me a rally with those same numbers in Virginia or Michigan and it will get my attention.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The fact that Trump is even having to hold a campaign rally in South Carolina at all should be a red flag to Republicans. That is obviously a bright red state with two Republican Senators and a Republican Governor. Show me a rally with those same numbers in Virginia or Michigan and it will get my attention.
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This is as close as he's been so far that I could find.

Nearly 22 percent of identified supporters at President Trump’s rally in Toledo, Ohio, were Democrats, and another 21 percent were independents. An astounding 15 percent of identified voters who saw the president speak in Battle Creek, Michigan, has not voted in any of the last four elections. In Hershey, Pennsylvania, just over 20 percent of identified voters at the rally were Democrats, and 18 percent were non-white.

Trump Campaign Shares Data Showing Why It’s ‘Clear’ He’ll Win
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
This is as close as he's been so far that I could find.

Nearly 22 percent of identified supporters at President Trump’s rally in Toledo, Ohio, were Democrats, and another 21 percent were independents. An astounding 15 percent of identified voters who saw the president speak in Battle Creek, Michigan, has not voted in any of the last four elections. In Hershey, Pennsylvania, just over 20 percent of identified voters at the rally were Democrats, and 18 percent were non-white.

Trump Campaign Shares Data Showing Why It’s ‘Clear’ He’ll Win
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I have doubts about the veracity of the Trump campaigns numbers... but I guess, we will see. In the most recent Fox News polls, which Trump was critical of last week in a tweet, Trump is losing head to head to every Democrat... and losing by 8 points to Biden and by 7 points to Sanders. I would tend to trust those polls before I would an internal Trump poll... which would only be made public if favorable to Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have doubts about the veracity of the Trump campaigns numbers... but I guess, we will see. In the most recent Fox News polls, which Trump was critical of last week in a tweet, Trump is losing head to head to every Democrat... and losing by 8 points to Biden and by 7 points to Sanders. I would tend to trust those polls before I would an internal Trump poll... which would only be made public if favorable to Trump.
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There's some interesting dynamics to watch or sure. I just go by what I see, and I've never seen any kind of minority support, independent support, and previous non-voter support being vocal about any conservative. It's happening now and is one of the most interesting aspects of 2020 voters to me.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
There's some interesting dynamics to watch or sure. I just go by what I see, and I've never seen any kind of minority support, independent support, and previous non-voter support being vocal about any conservative. It's happening now and is one of the most interesting aspects of 2020 voters to me.
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The Trump campaign is making the effort. I applaud them for that. I just think they have too much of a bad history with their candidate to make any headway with African-American support.

...and GWB did well with independent support against John Kerry in 2004. That is actually the only time that a Republican has won the popular vote since 1992. Part of that was because Kerry was a weak candidate, and part of that was because the public had not yet turned against the Iraq War. They would two years later.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The Trump campaign is making the effort. I applaud them for that. I just think they have too much of a bad history with their candidate to make any headway with African-American support.

...and GWB did well with independent support against John Kerry in 2004. That is actually the only time that a Republican has won the popular vote since 1992. Part of that was because Kerry was a weak candidate, and part of that was because the public had not yet turned against the Iraq War. They would two years later.
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Trump dwarfs GWB. Which current DNC candidate do you see being better than Kerry?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have doubts about the veracity of the Trump campaigns numbers... but I guess, we will see. In the most recent Fox News polls, which Trump was critical of last week in a tweet, Trump is losing head to head to every Democrat... and losing by 8 points to Biden and by 7 points to Sanders. I would tend to trust those polls before I would an internal Trump poll... which would only be made public if favorable to Trump.
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To the veracity of these polls. You really think Sanders would beat Trump? I have asked my more moderate Dem friends and they say no way.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why take out those ads in the first place, unless you want to further stoke racial tensions in NYC? And why not acknowledge the innocence of those five youths of the attack on Trisha Meili from 1989, following the DNA evidence which proved the guilt of Matias Reyes?
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Because they were innocent of one crime not the other three or four
 
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Orangeburst said:
To the veracity of these polls. You really think Sanders would beat Trump? I have asked my more moderate Dem friends and they say no way.
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No. Ultimately, I don't think Bernie can win Pennsylvania or Wisconsin in the general election... Minnesota would also be in play and could go either way. Bernie would win Michigan. It would be close... but the Democratic Party nominee must have Penn, Wisconsin and Michigan... and also win every state that HRC won in 2016. The only candidate who can do that is Joe Biden.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because they were innocent of one crime not the other three or four
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Trump's ads against them were specifically over the Central Park jogger attack (Trisha Meili) which had been so highly publicized. Those ads were unnecessary and provocative. What point was he trying to make and would he have done the same thing over 5 young white men accused of rape? ... and it's odd that after DNA evidence vindicated those five men in 2002, Trump pretended that it didn't happen.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No. Ultimately, I don't think Bernie can win Pennsylvania or Wisconsin in the general election... Minnesota would also be in play and could go either way. Bernie would win Michigan. It would be close... but the Democratic Party nominee must have Penn, Wisconsin and Michigan... and also win every state that HRC won in 2016. The only candidate who can do that is Joe Biden.
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We have had poll validity discussions for awhile. Why do you think the polls do not reflect anecdotal sentiment?
 
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Orangeburst said:
We have had poll validity discussions for awhile. Why do you think the polls do not reflect anecdotal sentiment?
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There is definitely a "hidden vote" for Trump. We saw it in 2016. These are voters who respond to polls and who don't like Donald Trump as a person. They aren't proud of their vote for Trump and don't want to admit to voting for him... but they still cast their vote for him anyway for various reasons related to policy or to simply preferring him over the Democratic Party alternative.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is definitely a "hidden vote" for Trump. We saw it in 2016. These are voters who respond to polls and who don't like Donald Trump as a person. They aren't proud of their vote for Trump and don't want to admit to voting for him... but they still cast their vote for him anyway for various reasons related to policy or to simply preferring him over the Democratic Party alternative.
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or to shield themselves from liberal hate? Proud silence to avoid psychos doesn't = unproud.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
or to shield themselves from liberal hate? Proud silence to avoid psychos doesn't = unproud.
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In any poll that I have ever taken, the results were anonymous. It's not like pollsters report the names of who is voting for who... so, I doubt that is it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In any poll that I have ever taken, the results were anonymous. It's not like pollsters report the names of who is voting for who... so, I doubt that is it.
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How many political polls have you taken?

Quite a change in your perception of polls in last year or so. I have always thought enthusiasm overrides "anybody but" voting, but of course Trump is a different beast. Sanders does have enthusiasm, just such a massive needle moving message.
 
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Orangeburst said:
How many political polls have you taken?

Quite a change in your perception of polls in last year or so. I have always thought enthusiasm overrides "anybody but" voting, but of course Trump is a different beast. Sanders does have enthusiasm, just such a massive needle moving message.
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Two answers I’ve heard from numerous panel commentators when asked their prediction if it’s Trump vs Sanders. It’s either a landslide like Nixon over McGovern, or “could be a close election“. Guess which side is making which prediction?
 
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RavinDave said:
Two answers I’ve heard from numerous panel commentators when asked their prediction if it’s Trump vs Sanders. It’s either a landslide like Nixon over McGovern, or “could be a close election“. Guess which side is making which prediction?
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The delusional side if they are predicting anything resembling Nixon over McGovern. Nixon won 49 states in 1972 and had almost 18 million more votes than McGovern. Nixon won the popular vote by 23.2% points - 60.7% to 37.5%. We are way too polarized as a country to ever have another general election like that again.
 
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RavinDave said:
Two answers I’ve heard from numerous panel commentators when asked their prediction if it’s Trump vs Sanders. It’s either a landslide like Nixon over McGovern, or “could be a close election“. Guess which side is making which prediction?
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I have not heard anybody say it would be a close election other than a fear article in which Sarah Sanders warned against complacency.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The delusional side if they are predicting anything resembling Nixon over McGovern. Nixon won 49 states in 1972 and had almost 18 million more votes than McGovern. Nixon won the popular vote by 23.2% points - 60.7% to 37.5%. We are way too polarized as a country to ever have another general election like that again.
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It probably would be a close election if held today whether it’s Bernie or Biden. But November is still a long ways off.
 
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