The slow demise of college football as we knew it, speeds up

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Just really a good example of how f'd up the whole thing is. Truly difficult to project how good or bad anyone will be when half the team every year is completely new.
 
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I fear you are correct. At some point, this train will have to be pulled into the station and reworked. What comes out on the other side may not even be recognize-able especially for those of us who’ve followed this sport for 50+ years.
 
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Just really a good example of how f'd up the whole thing is. Truly difficult to project how good or bad anyone will be when half the team every year is completely new.


It is a mess. Too many unqualified persons in charge will ruin it all. We all complained at first and now, "Who can we get from the Portal"? See how it works?
 
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The NCAAs greed and Hubris created this - people that don’t really do anything thought they were more important to the sport than what was best for the actual people playing. They could have easily built something that would have appeased the student athletes( licensing, increased sty-pin, or something) but nope. Once the Supreme Court got involved the NCAA was done
 
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Marxism= Change the time honored customs & traditions so the prey will forget who they are and then you got 'em . Little changes become big changes.
Marxism? The NCAA is losing in numerous American courts of law and being chastised by some of the most conservative Supreme Court Justices America has had in many, many decades.

But sure, what could be more Marxist than the NCAA having MULTIPLE days in court and losing all of them. 🤦‍♂️
 
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Marxism? The NCAA is losing in numerous American courts of law and being chastised by some of the most conservative Supreme Court Justices America has had in many, many decades.

But sure, what could be more Marxist than the NCAA having MULTIPLE days in court and losing all of them. 🤦‍♂️

We WERE talking about all the changes in the game of College Football. Traditions gone for change's sake. The ncaa has basically been a spectator to the most recent. I think you missed the essence of my calculation. And see how the Marxists do it? You don't even notice...
 
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We WERE talking about all the changes in the game of College Football. Traditions gone for change's sake. The ncaa has basically been a spectator to the most recent. I think you missed the essence of my calculation. And see how the Marxists do it? You don't even notice...
I don't think marxists care about antitrust violations. The NCAA is dying because of antitrust. Players being able to profit from their own name, imagei, and likeness is pretty darn capitalist.
 
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We WERE talking about all the changes in the game of College Football. Traditions gone for change's sake. The ncaa has basically been a spectator to the most recent. I think you missed the essence of my calculation. And see how the Marxists do it? You don't even notice...
Those changes aren't political, they're purely the result of the NCAA hanging on to "traditions" of denying basic rights every other student wasn't denied in college like NIL and like the ability to transfer freely.

So sure, "traditions" DO change in America when the rights of a group are denied simply because they're athletes or a different gender or a different color or whatever.

It's called America. Equal rights for athletes to market their NIL and to transfer freely REALLY IS the right thing, even if it means college athletics "traditions"....... as they did with Title IX and as they did with integrated teams..... need to change.
 
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Meh, I'm not gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.

Has CFB changed? Yup.

I'm sure the day is coming soon when I either stop watching or am no longer given a choice in the matter.

Now, in terms of this one player-seems like be was highly overvalued from the get go.

Kinda funny honestly that Miami wanted nothing to do with him after he left UF. Yeah, I'm sure some bridges were burned and all but for a top flight QB any coach in America would be rebuilding those bridges really quick if he was worth a crap.

Only real difference between this dude and Harrison Bailey is the NIL factor
 
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The NCAAs greed and Hubris created this - people that don’t really do anything thought they were more important to the sport than what was best for the actual people playing. They could have easily built something that would have appeased the student athletes( licensing, increased sty-pin, or something) but nope. Once the Supreme Court got involved the NCAA was done

It's not the NCAA. The big culprits are a two/three misguided legal decisions plus the idiot programs that thought packaging NIL with recruiting was a good idea. It was a terrible idea--a stupid idea, as I have many times pointed out.

I do recall Vol fans and others being elated at the judicial ruling that put a temporary halt to the NCAA's effort to ban NIL in recruiting. Many fans think NIL in the recruiting of high school prospects and existing college student-athletes is wonderful. It's not---and it's not going to lead to more parity.

What we have now makes a complete mockery of "college" sports. I mean, owing to rampant commercialism it has been trending this way for a while--but now we've got an absurd circus that has turned most student-athletes into greedy mercenaries, coaches have to almost completely rebuild their rosters every year, rampant transferring--all in the name of want to do more for student-athletes already getting a free four/five year academic scholarships plus other bennies PLUS an annual payment of a few/several thousand dollars a year now, I believe. When it all leads to Dartmouth basketball players--Dartmouth basketball players!---voting to unionize, you know somebody let the monkeys out of the cage.

The fact that nearly all of the NIL deals are kept secret is an indication that the sport--the athletic directors and others---don't want the public to see what college FB/BB have become--bribery contests for players, with the payment amounts all kept hidden, the players jumping yearly from one program to another for more money, etc etc. Conference expansion and realignment is also a freaking joke---what exactly is the point of conferences with a ridiculous 18/20 members? Inevitably we seem headed to CFB with one mega-conference comprising 50 or so quasi-professional programs that have opted in to shelling out big money to their players (formerly know as student-athletes) while all other schools stick with college sports as they used to be.

College is college: It is not supposed to be professional. But it got big, with bigger and bigger TV deals--and then they idiot activists jumped in with their nonsense about players being exploited. The usual "give us free money" crowd. The student-athletes are already getting free money--a free college education, which is worth a lot of money, but because it's not cash in pocket, the activists (who are not big on education) pretend that the student-athletes are getting nothing. They're getting a lot.

The legal decisions are also a bit perplexing--and have further opened Pandora's Box.

And it doesn't help when a bunch of morons decide that we need a bigger playoff. No, we don't. It's just greed--by the conferences, athletic directors, school presidents and networks masquerading as "giving other programs a chance." It's a con job on fans, essentially---the same con that we've seen in the steadily expanding playoffs in pro sports. "Your .500 MLB or NFL team, or your 20th ranked college football team, has a chance to win the Big Taco because....it's made the playoffs!" It's the same reason some clowns are pushing to expand the NCAA BB tourney--every team deserves a chance to play in the NCAA! More teams, more games, more money! Your middling team is not going to win--but that's ok, because that's entertainment!
 
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The fact that nearly all of the NIL deals are kept secret is an indication that the sport--the athletic directors and others---don't want the public to see what college FB/BB have become--bribery contests for players, with the payment amounts all kept hidden, the players jumping yearly from one program to another for more money, etc etc.
NIL deals are kept secret because they are agreements between a private business and an individual.
 
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It's not the NCAA. The big culprits are a two/three misguided legal decisions plus the idiot programs that thought packaging NIL with recruiting was a good idea. It was a terrible idea--a stupid idea, as I have many times pointed out.

I do recall Vol fans and others being elated at the judicial ruling that put a temporary halt to the NCAA's effort to ban NIL in recruiting. Many fans think NIL in the recruiting of high school prospects and existing college student-athletes is wonderful. It's not---and it's not going to lead to more parity.

What we have now makes a complete mockery of "college" sports. I mean, owing to rampant commercialism it has been trending this way for a while--but now we've got an absurd circus that has turned most student-athletes into greedy mercenaries, coaches have to almost completely rebuild their rosters every year, rampant transferring--all in the name of want to do more for student-athletes already getting a free four/five year academic scholarships plus other bennies PLUS an annual payment of a few/several thousand dollars a year now, I believe. When it all leads to Dartmouth basketball players--Dartmouth basketball players!---voting to unionize, you know somebody let the monkeys out of the cage.

The fact that nearly all of the NIL deals are kept secret is an indication that the sport--the athletic directors and others---don't want the public to see what college FB/BB have become--bribery contests for players, with the payment amounts all kept hidden, the players jumping yearly from one program to another for more money, etc etc. Conference expansion and realignment is also a freaking joke---what exactly is the point of conferences with a ridiculous 18/20 members? Inevitably we seem headed to CFB with one mega-conference comprising 50 or so quasi-professional programs that have opted in to shelling out big money to their players (formerly know as student-athletes) while all other schools stick with college sports as they used to be.

College is college: It is not supposed to be professional. But it got big, with bigger and bigger TV deals--and then they idiot activists jumped in with their nonsense about players being exploited. The usual "give us free money" crowd. The student-athletes are already getting free money--a free college education, which is worth a lot of money, but because it's not cash in pocket, the activists (who are not big on education) pretend that the student-athletes are getting nothing. They're getting a lot.

The legal decisions are also a bit perplexing--and have further opened Pandora's Box.

And it doesn't help when a bunch of morons decide that we need a bigger playoff. No, we don't. It's just greed--by the conferences, athletic directors, school presidents and networks masquerading as "giving other programs a chance." It's a con job on fans, essentially---the same con that we've seen in the steadily expanding playoffs in pro sports. "Your .500 MLB or NFL team, or your 20th ranked college football team, has a chance to win the Big Taco because....it's made the playoffs!" It's the same reason some clowns are pushing to expand the NCAA BB tourney--every team deserves a chance to play in the NCAA! More teams, more games, more money! Your middling team is not going to win--but that's ok, because that's entertainment!

I think the lesson there is the NCAA threw gasoline on the fire. At the end of the day, paying players and keeping it hidden has always been a part of recruiting, but the NCAA wanted it all to stay under the table so they could select schools they wanted for punishment.

Without selective enforcement and protection of the bluest of blue bloods that would have never happened. You can't tell me it didn't all stink that less than a year after we were lauded as a model of cooperation the NCAA decides to come after us. Literally everyone else was doing the same thing but we were the ones targeted. Enough was enough so we took it to court. Had the NCAA left us alone that case would have never happened.

The NCAA should have either left everyone alone or gone after everybody. When the game isn't fair and folks are backed in a corner is when all this happens. This is another example of the NCAA doing this to themselves and making the situation worse.
 
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I think the lesson there is the NCAA threw gasoline on the fire. At the end of the day, paying players and keeping it hidden has always been a part of recruiting, but the NCAA wanted it all to stay under the table so they could select schools they wanted for punishment.

Without selective enforcement and protection of the bluest of blue bloods that would have never happened. You can't tell me it didn't all stink that less than a year after we were lauded as a model of cooperation the NCAA decides to come after us. Literally everyone else was doing the same thing but we were the ones targeted. Enough was enough so we took it to court. Had the NCAA left us alone that case would have never happened.

The NCAA should have either left everyone alone or gone after everybody. When the game isn't fair and folks are backed in a corner is when all this happens. This is another example of the NCAA doing this to themselves and making the situation worse.

You left out the part about the monkey basketball players being let out of their cages.
 
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You left out the part about the monkey basketball players being let out of their cages.


LW, what are your thoughts about the mercenary aspect of this? Limit transfers over a career? Limit how many players a school can nab in a given year? Let it play out (and just die)?
 
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You left out the part about the monkey basketball players being let out of their cages.
Not sure what this means but if it is a comment on transfers, that is a bigger problem that needs to be addressed. My comment was on NIL and the court cases. If the NCAA was fair and not biased towards schools and looking the other way the court case with UT would have never happened.
 

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