....The Stay is granted. ....Players bummed.

#4
#4
I put a lot of blame on the players of today's age. Greedy, greedy, greedy. Millions upon millions to play the game you love and you still hold out for more. Baseball is the worst for this.
 
#5
#5
There is absolutely no evidence for that. The previous NFL CBA heavily favored the owners compared to all other major north American sports, and the only thing that happened was that the owners wanted a bigger piece of the pie without opening their books to justify why. Saying this is because of the players being greedy is completely ridiculous and absurd.
 
#6
#6
I put a lot of blame on the players of today's age. Greedy, greedy, greedy. Millions upon millions to play the game you love and you still hold out for more. Baseball is the worst for this.

Baseball has guaranteed contracts and no salary cap. Simpletons view to compare, you're smarter than that.
 
#7
#7
Players are going to win, and they should, so it would be nice if the owner would stop dragging this out.
 
#8
#8
I put a lot of blame on the players of today's age. Greedy, greedy, greedy. Millions upon millions to play the game you love and you still hold out for more. Baseball is the worst for this.
Yeah, it's really ridiculous that they want more of the money they earned.
 
#11
#11
yet dont want to take any of the risk associated with the business. Pay them on performance like the real world does.

The contracts aren't 100% guaranteed money.

They are the only professional sport in America that is anywhere near "pay on performance"
 
#12
#12
The contracts aren't 100% guaranteed money.

They are the only professional sport in America that is anywhere near "pay on performance"

Matthew Stafford $41.7 million guaranteed. Worth it?

Haynesworth $41 million

Peyton $34.5 million (ok, worth that)

JaMarcus Russell $31.5 million. Worth it?

Pay them like the rest of America gets paid - on performance. That's what businesses do every single day. You make the company money, you get paid big bucks. You want a flat rate then you'll get paid small pennies. Back to basics.
 
#13
#13
Good.

Owners have every right to decide what they pay their employees as long as they are meeting the minimum wage requirements. If the employees don't like it, goodbye. Nobody is forcing them to play football in the NFL. The only reason the players won before was because the NFL was essentially the only league in the country. Now they have the options of Arena Football or UFL. They can try their hand at that if they don't like what the NFL is offering.

What's the point of taking a risk and investing your money into a business if the employees and courts are going to try and run it for you? That's b.s. and that's why the NFL chose to shut it down. I would too.

The owners may be greedy but the players would be making a lot less without them. If you're going to bite the hand that feeds you, expect to get nothing.
 
#14
#14
Matthew Stafford $41.7 million guaranteed. Worth it?

Haynesworth $41 million

Peyton $34.5 million (ok, worth that)

JaMarcus Russell $31.5 million. Worth it?

Pay them like the rest of America gets paid - on performance. That's what businesses do every single day. You make the company money, you get paid big bucks. You want a flat rate then you'll get paid small pennies. Back to basics.

all kinds of major companies pay sign on bonuses for employees, I got one for joining the freaking Army. The difference is, in the NFL Peyton Manning can be cut at any time and as far as yearly salary goes, he's only guaranteed what he earned up to that point in the year. Same with every other player in the NFL.
 
#15
#15
Good.

Owners have every right to decide what they pay their employees as long as they are meeting the minimum wage requirements. If the employees don't like it, goodbye. Nobody is forcing them to play football in the NFL. The only reason the players won before was because the NFL was essentially the only league in the country. Now they have the options of Arena Football or UFL. They can try their hand at that if they don't like what the NFL is offering.

What's the point of taking a risk and investing your money into a business if the employees and courts are going to try and run it for you? That's b.s. and that's why the NFL chose to shut it down. I would too.

The owners may be greedy but the players would be making a lot less without them. If you're going to bite the hand that feeds you, expect to get nothing.
Yeah, shutting down the league would be a great business move. It's not like they have to pay for those stadiums or anything.

It's funny watching you try to compare this to some other business. This isn't some normal company canning all their employees and hiring a bunch of illegal immigrants to replace them without much setback. If the players are gone, the league fails. Both sides have the right to negotiate for money, but in the end, the players will win, and they should.
 
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#16
#16
There is absolutely no evidence for that. The previous NFL CBA heavily favored the owners compared to all other major north American sports, and the only thing that happened was that the owners wanted a bigger piece of the pie without opening their books to justify why. Saying this is because of the players being greedy is completely ridiculous and absurd.
Agree completely. That's why I'm confident the players are going to win.
 
#18
#18
repost for those who forget

Wow, this thread is full of exactly the sort of knee-jerk boneheadedness that the owners are counting on. I'm pretty sure I can hear Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones cackling from here.

Already billionaires from their other businesses, the NFL owners are generating enormous stacks of cash. Business has never been greater or more profitable. But when the contract comes up for renewal, the owners tell the players that they are going to have to accept a smaller cut of the pie. They don't provide a good explanation; they don't open their books to document why; they tell the players that they can accept less money or go pound sand. The players, who have lower salaries, worse job security, and far more significant health risks than the other major North American sports -- despite the fact that the NFL is far more profitable than all of them -- balk. So the owners say fine, we're richer than you and can wait it out better, GFY, and lock the players out. And Billy in his doublewide cracks a beer and *****es about how greedy the players are.
 
#20
#20
Could give a crap about NFL football, college ball is where it's at!
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#22
#22
And not the players, as well?

Doesn't matter much to me as I gave up on all pro sports about 15 or more years ago. I like to watch the media spin on these things. It was predictable that it would be spun as a labor dispute as is most cases. Not all, but most I've seen.

So, who started all this?
 
#23
#23
Exactly, way more exciting, and the players play with heart and attitude. They got have another level they are trying to achieve. NFL players, almost all of them, seem like they don't care, they are getting paid, and don't put forth full effort. But this is just my opinion.
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#24
#24
Players are going to win, and they should, so it would be nice if the owner would stop dragging this out.
Yeah. They will lose some of the less die hard fans if this keeps up. I've already lost intrest in this. I'll never not be a fan though.
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#25
#25
I heard an arguement that I really liked, although I can't produce it verbatim.
It was along the lines of:

If Peyton Manning is scheduled to make 10 million this season, gaurantee him 5mil and then divide the other 5mil by 16(maximum # of wins). Then any bonus "incentives" would naturally be the playoffs and championship. Then for every win, the players receive an extra check (% of their salary).

I probably butchered the concept, but I remember thinking that teams would obviously tank less, and players would be quick to dismiss people like Haynesworth, TO, Chad Johnson, who would become detrimental to their win-loss record and their wallets. Rest assured, you would see alot more heart, passion, competiveness EVERY sunday with something like this.

*random note, I am WAY in favor of a rookie salary cap. Jamarcus Russel is the obvious poster child for the change. Also that young QBs (even good ones like Bradford) shouldnt be earning more than 6-7 year Vets on the OL before they even throw a pass. Make sure they can produce consistent and stay healthy for 2-3 years, then hand them some $$$.
 
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