The Swamp...

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McCain votes the way he is paid to vote. He’s far from being a shining light of virtue.

Exactly.....McCain is a sellout...like most in DC...he represents the elite billionaires, not the American people..

I respect his military service and sacrifice to this country....but that's where it starts and stops for me..

 

[Septic]

Serving in congress does not a hero make. His military service is questionable at best, if not for his dad he would have been washed out of the academy and definitely flight school.

There is a reason many of the former prisoners in Hanoi have nothing to do with him.

I agree.


Silver Star Medal
Bronze Star Medal (3) with Combat "V"
Purple Heart Medal
Legion of Merit (2) with Combat "V"
Distinguished Flying Cross
Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal (2) with Combat "V"

 

[hog88]

I agree.


Silver Star Medal
Bronze Star Medal (3) with Combat "V"
Purple Heart Medal
Legion of Merit (2) with Combat "V"
Distinguished Flying Cross
Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal (2) with Combat "V"

Imagine the salad you could of had on your chest if your daddy was a flag officer.

 

[Septic]

Imagine the salad you could of had on your chest if your daddy was a flag officer.

During 'Nam? Shheeeeeit.

Most folks wouldn't have any because they'd be what CCR referred to as 'fortunate sons'.

 

[armchair]

I view him as an independent mainly because of the "sacred cow" issues. When you have a Congress full of both parties that obstruct his ideas, whether or not they have good intentions, that means you have a political outsider in the mix that's not beholden to either party.

In truth, I'm very happy he's exposing the fraudulent behavior of the sitting parties. I don't believe in everything he stands for, but at the same time, we are well past the point of any sitting President rubber stamping any bill just because it happens to have an (R) or (D) endorsement on it.

Many of the opinions I read on this board are not very perceptive and, often, completely detached from realty. Yes, it is a SHAME that Congress is thwarting the brilliant ideas of Donald Trump! Are you serious? Trump has no ideas--he's a carnival barker, an empty suit with a big mouth attached, a dishonest self-promoter. He campaigned on issues that Republicans had been attached to for years--i.e., repealing ACA. Last I checked, taking health-care subsidies away from the poorest Americans isn't going to make America great again.

Exposing the fraudulent behavior of the parties? Yea, thank goodness we've got a sleazy real estate guy--a man who had to pay $40 million to settle a case of fraud against him related to his fake real estate "university"--to expose the sins of Washington. A man who has spent one-third--one third--of his days in office hanging out at his various golf clubs--because he wants to promote them (unethical) and because he's lazy. Yea, Trump's a real man of courage--another Abe Lincoln. (Speaking of which, Trump recently said he was surprised to learn that Lincoln was a Republican. Vintage Trump! He followed that up by asserting that the rising stock market was lowering our national debt. Wrong, Donald!).

If Trump were intelligent and knew anything, and if he was a decent human being, he might have more success--but he's not. He's an imbecile with a loud mouth. Bernie Sanders is an effective outsider-type politician because he knows issues and can intelligently articulate his positions, whether one agrees with them or not. Trump can't do that. He's nothing more than a white supremacist and a blowhard.

Democrats and Republicans in Congress don't fear Trump because he's "upsetting the applecart." They fear him because he's ignorant and crazy--and those are not qualities that anybody wants in a president.

 

[hog88]

During 'Nam? Shheeeeeit.

Most folks wouldn't have any because they'd be what CCR referred to as 'fortunate sons'.

His dad and grandfather were Admirals, not politicians or rich elite.

 

[Grand Vol]

Look Septic, nobody can or should argue over the man's service to his nation, especially in light of the hell he went through as a POW and the fact he served during a time when service wasn't the most popular of options for anyone. He deserves all the respect in the world for that.

However...

I find it completely hard to believe you are supporting someone who's been in Congress longer than you've been getting excited at the lingerie section of the JC Penny catalog. Or quite possibly been alive (not sure how old you are). If you are as independent as you say you are, you would despise that simple fact alone and realize he's been in Congress far, far, far too long. And the only reason you take up for him at this point is your frothing at the mouth anti-Trump attitude. Yes, he voted against that turd of an ACA "replacement." But that's about the extent of being anti-GOP. Because you can't point to any significant legislation prior to Trump he voted against without a long drawn out search.

You brought McCain into this conversation. He's one of the head alligators in the swamp. And in reality, he's part of the problem. You just can't bring yourself to admit it because he's anti-Trump and you love him for it.

 

[armchair]

Anybody who tries to defend Trump by pissing on McCain cannot be taken seriously. It AMAZES me that ANYBODY respects Trump. Here is a man who as a presidential candidate criticized a U.S. senator because he was a prisoner of war. Trump, meanwhile, got out of serving by claiming he had bad feet. Trump is a horrible human being--he's showed that in 101 different ways--and he doesn't deserve an ounce of respect. People don't "fear" Trump. They don't like him--nobody but idiots could like him.

 

[lawgator1]

All of Congress needs to figure out how to work with Trump and stop whining about him. I dislike Trump intensely, but these jack wagons are spending all of their time trying to get rid of him and I think Trump is far more unpredictable when cornered. I would prefer some progress rather than four wasted years.

As an observation, I don't think democrats have really thought through what getting rid of Trump means. Pence is far more concerning if social issues are important to you. If they think Gorsuch is far right, just wait. Pence would nominate Tom Moore or Priscilla Owen.

I could go along with you except I'm not sure it is Trump calling the shots on policy. All presidents depend on others for information and advice. But Trump is completely in the dark on pretty much everything.

Witness his comments about the EO on health care yesterday. He said millions and millions will benefit. I think he believes that because that is what he was told by the handlers.

Then news starts to examine it and lo and behold, it's going to suck. So his instinct is, well, well, Dems let's talk.

He's being manipulated.

 

[hog88]

Anybody who tries to defend Trump by pissing on McCain cannot be taken seriously. It AMAZES me that ANYBODY respects Trump. Here is a man who as a presidential candidate criticized a U.S. senator because he was a prisoner of war. Trump, meanwhile, got out of serving by claiming he had bad feet. Trump is a horrible human being--he's showed that in 101 different ways--and he doesn't deserve an ounce of respect. People don't "fear" Trump. They don't like him--nobody but idiots could like him.

Nobody was trying to defend Trump by pissing on McCain. One of our resident trolls brought McCain into the conversation.

 

[hog88]

I could go along with you except I'm not sure it is Trump calling the shots on policy. All presidents depend on others for information and advice. But Trump is completely in the dark on pretty much everything.

Witness his comments about the EO on health care yesterday. He said millions and millions will benefit. I think he believes that because that is what he was told by the handlers.

Then news starts to examine it and lo and behold, it's going to suck. So his instinct is, well, well, Dems let's talk.

He's being manipulated.

Who is? The Russians?

But do you really think any POTUS is writing policy?

 

[Grand Vol]

I could go along with you except I'm not sure it is Trump calling the shots on policy. All presidents depend on others for information and advice. But Trump is completely in the dark on pretty much everything.

Witness his comments about the EO on health care yesterday. He said millions and millions will benefit. I think he believes that because that is what he was told by the handlers.

Then news starts to examine it and lo and behold, it's going to suck. So his instinct is, well, well, Dems let's talk.

He's being manipulated.

Yeah, no President has ever embellished how wonderful something they put forward is...

 

[Hayezb]

I could go along with you except I'm not sure it is Trump calling the shots on policy. All presidents depend on others for information and advice. But Trump is completely in the dark on pretty much everything.

Witness his comments about the EO on health care yesterday. He said millions and millions will benefit. I think he believes that because that is what he was told by the handlers.

Then news starts to examine it and lo and behold, it's going to suck. So his instinct is, well, well, Dems let's talk.

He's being manipulated.

I'm confused...

Is he "calling the shots" and "in the dark" or was he "told by the handlers" and being "manipulated"?

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm confused...

Is he "calling the shots" and "in the dark" or was he "told by the handlers" and being "manipulated"?

Apparently, LG is confusing himself since just the other day he was saying how much Trump is falling apart and becoming unstable.

Yet, he's being manipulated?

Not sure how that works...

 

[Septic]

Look Septic, nobody can or should argue over the man's service to his nation, especially in light of the hell he went through as a POW and the fact he served during a time when service wasn't the most popular of options for anyone. He deserves all the respect in the world for that.

However...

I find it completely hard to believe you are supporting someone who's been in Congress longer than you've been getting excited at the lingerie section of the JC Penny catalog. Or quite possibly been alive (not sure how old you are). If you are as independent as you say you are, you would despise that simple fact alone and realize he's been in Congress far, far, far too long. And the only reason you take up for him at this point is your frothing at the mouth anti-Trump attitude. Yes, he voted against that turd of an ACA "replacement." But that's about the extent of being anti-GOP. Because you can't point to any significant legislation prior to Trump he voted against without a long drawn out search.

You brought McCain into this conversation. He's one of the head alligators in the swamp. And in reality, he's part of the problem. You just can't bring yourself to admit it because he's anti-Trump and you love him for it.

A. I didn't bring him into the conversation, dave did when he called him "human garbage" for voting against the ACA.

B. I don't particularly like McCain. I do think he's given more to than this country than the keyboard patriots who feel the need to trash him.

C. I agree with him being part of the problem generally, which is why I think term limits are the only solution.

D. The fact that he pissed trump off is a bonus and a bit endearing to me, this is true. Although I do not believe he did what he did solely because he doesn't like trump.

 

[Septic]

Nobody was trying to defend Trump by pissing on McCain. One of our resident trolls brought McCain into the conversation.

McCain will block everything he can if it hurts Trump. I hope McCain’s time is up soon. He’s a garbage human being and a great example of a corrupt politician.

EAD nerd.

 

[Biopsyman]

McCain is smart About the military but overall is a rhino

 

[BowlBrother85]

His dad and grandfather were Admirals, not politicians or rich elite.

Give it a rest. McCain served. He didn't claim to have bone spurs in his feet and he didn't duck into the National Guard.

 

[hog88]

EAD nerd.

My apologies. DA

 

[hog88]

Give it a rest. McCain served. He didn't claim to have bone spurs in his feet and he didn't duck into the National Guard.

McCain did serve but that doesn't negate his career post service. Some people treat him as a hero and use his military service to excuse his political record.

 

[Grand Vol]

A. I didn't bring him into the conversation, dave did when he called him "human garbage" for voting against the ACA.

I don't necessarily hold that against him.

I do question his motives as to why.

C. I agree with him being part of the problem generally, which is why I think term limits are the only solution.

He's specifically part of the problem. Along with McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Ryan, et al.

D. The fact that he pissed trump off is a bonus and a bit endearing to me, this is true. Although I do not believe he did what he did solely because he doesn't like trump.

Did he ever give a good reason as to why he voted against it? Did the press ever actually ask him?

 

[Septic]

I don't necessarily hold that against him.

I do question his motives as to why.



He's specifically part of the problem. Along with McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Ryan, et al.



Did he ever give a good reason as to why he voted against it? Did the press ever actually ask him?

Well, what would you consider a good reason? That's a bit of a subjective term.

 

[Biopsyman]

Obama hated MCain

 

[Septic]

Obama hated MCain

Sun Tsu said that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend." You guys should pay attention ancient Chinese secret.

 

[Grand Vol]

Well, what would you consider a good reason? That's a bit of a subjective term.

A good reason was because "it sucks and we suck because we had seven long years to come up with a bulletproof replacement and failed. And even though I was part of Congress all those seven years, I never added anything significantly altering to make said replacement bulletproof."

There's the problem. It's not like he was pulling a Rand Paul and screaming about it months and years in advance. Nor advancing his own changes to be made. He went with the crowd and when it came time for the decisions to be made, all the sudden voted against the replacement.

Like I said, I don't hold that against him. However, I do question why.