The "U" thread

[therealUT]

Well if you had actually seen the '87 OU-Nebraska game, you would know OU turned the ball over three times inside the Nebraska twenty and held the Huskers to about 70 yards total offense in the second half. How many regular season games did OU play after that one? None. I couldn't care less how many Nebraska played because they were irrelevant. Don't worry, you couldn't afford the initial consultation fee.

It's ok, I don't need a lawyer whose favorite defense is a race card.

 

[hatvol96]

Well if it is easy to swat away Auburn from contending for the title for losing 34-6 to a 1 loss FSU team, then I your own logic would state that Miami was undeserving of the '83 title for losing 28-3 to a .500 team.

That would be the same FSU team that Miami beat. That's why it's so easy to dismiss Auburn. That and the tie with a decent, but hardly great, Tennessee team. Miami beat the unanimous #1 Nebraska Cornhuskers in the Orange Bowl after the '83 season. Texas fumbled away the Cotton Bowl and an 11-0 record against Georgia. Therefore, Miami was the most deserving of the three 11-1 teams left.

 

[volmanjr]

doesn't change the fact that Miami blows IMO

 

[therealUT]

Sorry Hat, there is not enough time at my disposal that I feel obliged to waste anymore of it in satisfying the curiosity of a person with nothing to do who is more captious in putting his questions than capable of grasping an answer.

 

[hatvol96]

doesn't change the fact that Miami blows IMO

They've certainly blown a lot of teams out in the last 20 or so years. Everybody hates royalty. It's sad really. Instead of trying to emulate their formula for success, our fans stay loyal to an outdated dullard and rip the 'Canes.

 

[hatvol96]

Sorry Hat, there is not enough time at my disposal that I feel obliged to waste anymore of it in satisfying the curiosity of a person with nothing to do who is more captious in putting his questions than capable of grasping an answer.

Got out your thesaurus did you?

 

[volmanjr]

They've certainly blown a lot of teams out in the last 20 or so years. Everybody hates royalty. It's sad really. Instead of trying to emulate their formula for success, our fans stay loyal to an outdated dullard and rip the 'Canes.

You take me wrong , I admire their success , it just makes no difference to me unless they are on our schedule. Much like I could care less about Cal except that we play them this season, otherwise they blow too.

 

[kptvol]

Pat Hill is the best mid major coach out there right now.

That's a lame cliche that announcers like to throw out to make games in which Fresno State appears seem more competitive than they actually are. He has won the WAC one time in nine years. I mean, it's the WAC! That is wack. Fulmer has at least won two conference titles, against far superior competition. Pat Hill is overrated and would have a better position if he were really such a great coach. Also, he wouldn't have gotten drilled when he came to Knoxville a few years ago.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Is there a way to force teams to schedule you that I'm not aware of? I'll turn it around. If the SEC powers were so bothered by Miami's "weak" schedule, why didn't they simply demand Miami play them? Miami had to beg Florida for the better part of twenty years to get a game.

Vanderbilt is 4-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Tennessee is 1-0 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Bama is 7-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Arkansas is 1-0 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Auburn is 4-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Florida is 14-13 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Georgia is 7-4 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Kentucky is 4-1 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
LSU is 5-1 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Ole Miss is 2-1 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Miss St. is 1-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
South Car is 3-7-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl


All 12 SEC teams have played Miami in the Orange Bowl. Looks like "Royalty" had enough.

 

[hatvol96]

Vanderbilt is 4-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Tennessee is 1-0 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Bama is 7-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Arkansas is 1-0 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Auburn is 4-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Florida is 14-13 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Georgia is 7-4 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Kentucky is 4-1 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
LSU is 5-1 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Ole Miss is 2-1 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
Miss St. is 1-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
South Car is 3-7-2 against Miami in the Orange Bowl
All 12 SEC teams have played Miami in the Orange Bowl. Looks like "Royalty" had enough.

Yeah, whole bunch of those games have been in the last 20 years haven't they? Are you going to break out the stats showing UT's dominance of Emory & Henry next? The flip side of the point you're trying to make is, once the 'Canes became dominant, the SEC, in its unending search to find the biggest nonconference patsies it can, no longer had any intention of making trips to South Florida.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Yeah, whole bunch of those games have been in the last 20 years haven't they? Are you going to break out the stats showing UT's dominance of Emory & Henry next? The flip side of the point you're trying to make is, once the 'Canes became dominant, the SEC, in its unending search to find the biggest nonconference patsies it can, no longer had any intention of making trips to South Florida.

I was just responding to your responses about the SEC not wanting to play there, or them.

The last SEC team Miami played handed them their worst loss ever.

Yeah, Miami is 5-3 against the SEC during the last 13 years, 3 of the wins against Ron Zook.

And they 9-2 vs the SEC from 1985-1991, a 6 year span.

I find it quite convenient for you that Miami didn't play an SEC team in the mid and late 90's, when Miami sucked and the SEC was a giant conference.


And while we were playing Emory & Henry, Vanderbilt, LSU, Maryland, Sewanee, Ole Miss, Virginia, and Kentucky, and winning, Miami was playing Rollins, Piedmont (GA), Spring Hill, Stetson, Samford, Oglethorpe (GA), Georgetown (KY), Millsaps (MS), Furman, Elon, Havana (Cuba), Union (TN) and losing.

 

[hatvol96]

I was just responding to your responses about the SEC not wanting to play there, or them.

The last SEC team Miami played handed them their worst loss ever.

Yeah, Miami is 5-3 against the SEC during the last 13 years, 3 of the wins against Ron Zook.

And they 9-2 vs the SEC from 1985-1991, a 6 year span.

I find it quite convenient for you that Miami didn't play an SEC team in the mid and late 90's, when Miami sucked and the SEC was a giant conference.
And while we were playing Emory & Henry, Vanderbilt, LSU, Maryland, Sewanee, Ole Miss, Virginia, and Kentucky, and winning, Miami was playing Rollins, Piedmont (GA), Spring Hill, Stetson, Samford, Oglethorpe (GA), Georgetown (KY), Millsaps (MS), Furman, Elon, Havana (Cuba), Union (TN) and losing.

Given that schedules are set 5 or more years in advance, the lack of games between Miami and the SEC in the mid to late '90s is most likely a product of the SEC's unwillingness to schedule Miami at a time when they were the undisputed dominant program in college football. I'm sure when Miami fans think about having won 5 National Championships since '83, the joy of those victories are overshadowed by the losses to Havana and Union.

 

[hatvol96]

I was just responding to your responses about the SEC not wanting to play there, or them.

The last SEC team Miami played handed them their worst loss ever.

Yeah, Miami is 5-3 against the SEC during the last 13 years, 3 of the wins against Ron Zook.

And they 9-2 vs the SEC from 1985-1991, a 6 year span.

I find it quite convenient for you that Miami didn't play an SEC team in the mid and late 90's, when Miami sucked and the SEC was a giant conference.
And while we were playing Emory & Henry, Vanderbilt, LSU, Maryland, Sewanee, Ole Miss, Virginia, and Kentucky, and winning, Miami was playing Rollins, Piedmont (GA), Spring Hill, Stetson, Samford, Oglethorpe (GA), Georgetown (KY), Millsaps (MS), Furman, Elon, Havana (Cuba), Union (TN) and losing.

Florida, the SEC standard bearer in the '90s, had to be harangued by the Florida Legislature to play the 'Canes.

 

[hatvol96]

I was just responding to your responses about the SEC not wanting to play there, or them.

The last SEC team Miami played handed them their worst loss ever.

Yeah, Miami is 5-3 against the SEC during the last 13 years, 3 of the wins against Ron Zook.

And they 9-2 vs the SEC from 1985-1991, a 6 year span.

I find it quite convenient for you that Miami didn't play an SEC team in the mid and late 90's, when Miami sucked and the SEC was a giant conference.
And while we were playing Emory & Henry, Vanderbilt, LSU, Maryland, Sewanee, Ole Miss, Virginia, and Kentucky, and winning, Miami was playing Rollins, Piedmont (GA), Spring Hill, Stetson, Samford, Oglethorpe (GA), Georgetown (KY), Millsaps (MS), Furman, Elon, Havana (Cuba), Union (TN) and losing.

Would that be the same Ron Zook who blew Philip Fulmer out of his own building in 2002?

 

[Jasongivm6]

Would that be the same Ron Zook who blew Philip Fulmer out of his own building in 2002?

Would that be the same Fulmer who broke one of the longest winning home streaks at Miami?

Yes.

Irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[hatvol96]

Would that be the same Fulmer who broke one of the longest winning home streaks at Miami?

Yes.

Irrelevant to the conversation.

You brought Ron Zook up. I just wanted clarification that we were talikng about the same Ron Zook.

 

[hatvol96]

Would that be the same Fulmer who broke one of the longest winning home streaks at Miami?

Yes.

Irrelevant to the conversation.

How did the game versus the 'Canes in Knoxville in '02 go for Fulmer?

 

[kptvol]

Yeah, whole bunch of those games have been in the last 20 years haven't they? Are you going to break out the stats showing UT's dominance of Emory & Henry next? The flip side of the point you're trying to make is, once the 'Canes became dominant, the SEC, in its unending search to find the biggest nonconference patsies it can, no longer had any intention of making trips to South Florida.

UT always schedules some pretty decent nonconference games. Recently, we've played Notre Dame and Miami. The next two years, we'll take on Cal. I'd say none of those guys are patsies and I don't think it would really be fair to lump UT in there with Auburn.

 

[hatvol96]

UT always schedules some pretty decent nonconference games. Recently, we've played Notre Dame and Miami. The next two years, we'll take on Cal. I'd say none of those guys are patsies and I don't think it would really be fair to lump UT in there with Auburn.

I agree. I was looking at the conference as a whole. UT is the exception that proves the rule.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

How did the game versus the 'Canes in Knoxville in '02 go for Fulmer?

Hey Hatcanes, I believe that would make the U 1-2 vs the Vols.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Hey Hat, what's your opinion of Coker as a coach?

 

[vader]

Hey Hat, what's your opinion of Coker as a coach?

He would be very high energy and thin, as opposed to the current head coach.

Oh, I misread the question

 

[hatvol96]

Hey Hat, what's your opinion of Coker as a coach?

Lived off the bounty of talent Butch Davis left him. He has yet to prove he can really handle the job. This year will be critical to his continued employment. The 'Cane fan base isn't enamored with him.