The United States, NATO, and Collective Security

[lawgator1]

Not if the point is simply to test u.s. resolve.

 

[Grand Vol]

Not if the point is simply to test u.s. resolve.

 

[Burhead]

Not if the point is simply to test u.s. resolve.

So our NATO partners shouldn't have invoked Article 5 and deployed personnel to Afghanistan after 9/11?

 

[LouderVol]

i was kinda thinking, "Hands up, Don't nuke"

 

[CSpindizzy]

So what are you guys doing over there?

Intercept Russian aircraft flying over the deployment of a NATO military exercise in the Black Sea

Monday, March 16, 2015, 6:45 p.m. News | Essential

A Russian military plane flew on Monday, the Black Sea, about 20 nautical miles off Constanta, over international waters in the area where he held a NATO military exercise SNMG2 of the group, taking part in exercise and Defense Minister Mircea Dusa informs Agerpres.

According to a spokesperson of Staff of the Navy, Paul Cornelius, Russian military plane was one of research, such as IL20, which fly at a height of about 3,000 meters. Regarding the overflight conducted research that plane, Minister Mircea Dusa said that there is nothing abnormal, picking Russian military exercise held information on the Black Sea. "I think it is normal for electronic surveillance aircraft to collect information on what is happening on the Black Sea, just as NATO planes, it's those planes AWACS, collect information in this area. (...) I do not think it is a coincidence. We know that there is this exercise on the Black Sea and collect information about the exercise, "said Dusa, at board of the Queen Mary. Minister of National Defence, Mircea Dusa, then traveled by helicopter cruiser USS Vicksburg aboard the ship commander in the group structure SNMG2. The exercise took place on Monday attended the Black Sea six ships from NATO Standing Maritime Group 2 group (Sea SNMG 2), including HMS London, ships that have joined two corvettes, two ships carrying missile destroyer and frigate a Marasesti, the Romanian Naval Forces, and three Romanian Air Force aircraft. Sea SNMG -2 is one of four multinational naval groups of the North Atlantic Alliance. The group is composed of four frigates (HMCS Fredericton - Canada, TCG Turgutreis - Turkey, ITS Aliseo - Italy and Queen Mary - Romania, which will take on board a helicopter), a cruiser (USS Vicksburg-US ship commander) and a Auxiliary Ship (FGS Spessart, Germany).

 

[Grand Vol]

i was kinda thinking, "Hands up, Don't nuke"

/thread

 

[Burhead]

So what are you guys doing over there?

One of these days a US or NATO ship or fighter will down a Russian MiG or Sukhoi for buzzing too close to NATO airspace and all heck will break loose.

 

[CSpindizzy]

[Youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA[/Youtube]

 

[volprof]

One of these days a US or NATO ship or fighter will down a Russian MiG or Sukhoi for buzzing too close to NATO airspace and all heck will break loose.

That may be Putin's point. Could you imagine what a slave state Russia would be then? They'd drink his bathwater and lick the scum off the bottom of his shoes for standing up to the "aggressive West."

 

[volinbham]

Do you all ever see a time when we reduce our sphere of influence or take a more balanced role in something like NATO rather than being the one with all the toys?

 

[lawgator1]

i was kinda thinking, "Hands up, Don't nuke"

That's funny right there.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Do you all ever see a time when we reduce our sphere of influence or take a more balanced role in something like NATO rather than being the one with all the toys?

I don't think we will ever see a reduced sphere of influence. I think some Presidents will focus on some areas more than others. Reagan had a pretty diverse scope - his focus though was on Latin America and Afghanistan. The Middle East has now taken over as primary focus. As far as balancing and equalizing the toys I do think Obama comes from that mindset. He's expressed his opinion on this and those influencers in his life had/have the views that the US "imperialist" policies must be stopped and the playing field leveled. Most on the Right would agree that he has definitely dropped the US down a few notches and the field is much more level now. Us bargaining with regimes like Iran and Syria and like shows we are in a different world. We're also competing with the BRIC, PIIG, and any other acronym group of nations you want to throw together as well. We're in a whole new world.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Higher Military Spending Will Save Democracy, Says NY Times | ZeroHedge

[Admittedly,] The additional money that countries spend on defense is money they cannot spend on roads, child care, cancer research, refugee resettlement, public parks or clean energy, my colleague Patricia points out. One reason Macron has insisted on raising France’s retirement age despite widespread protests, analysts believe, is a need to leave more money for the military.

But the situation [in Europe of spending more on butter than guns] over the past few decades feels unsustainable. Some of the world’s richest countries were able to spend so much on social programs partly because another country – the U.S. – was paying for their defense. Those other countries, sensing a more threatening world, are now once again promising to pull their weight. They still need to demonstrate that they’ll follow through this time.