The "Vandy can suck it" cause that was a foul on Tennessee's last possession thread

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If you go back and look at the last play it clearly shows vandy hacking the Tennessee player. I could waste your time to go back and find names, but you know what? **** you and ead.

We should have played a better ballgame and not even be talking about this, but whatever.
 
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Although there was contact, if you are expecting a ref to bail you out at the end then you'll usually end up losing in the end. Maybe if Martin got some refs to respect him then he gets the call. Who knows. Who knows if Richardson would've hit both free throws. The fact that UT came out flat just boggles the mind. That's on Martin's ass to get his team ready. They weren't ready.

I know Vandy is no world beater and it might've been hard to get up for them, but they should've wiped the floor with that garbage team. If they don't beat the hell out of them when they come into TBA then they have zero fire or competitiveness.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Although there was contact, if you are expecting a ref to bail you out at the end then you'll usually end up losing in the end. Maybe if Martin got some refs to respect him then he gets the call. Who knows. Who knows if Richardson would've hit both free throws. The fact that UT came out flat just boggles the mind. That's on Martin's ass to get his team ready. They weren't ready.

I know Vandy is no world beater and it might've been hard to get up for them, but they should've wiped the floor with that garbage team. If they don't beat the hell out of them when they come into TBA then they have zero fire or competitiveness.
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Everyone keeps saying getting up for a game is all the coach's responsibility, but where is it the players' job to be focused? You expect one man to go to 12 players and make sure every one of them is not thinking about school, the girl, family or whatever, along with planning, and recruiting, and interviewing, and going over things with the other coavhes, and all the other 1000 things he has to do? At some point, the players have to get themselves prepared. I'm not saying he's not to be blamed at all, but my God, some people never hold players accountable for ANYTHING.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Everyone keeps saying getting up for a game is all the coach's responsibility, but where is it the players' job to be focused? You expect one man to go to 12 players and make sure every one of them is not thinking about school, the girl, family or whatever, along with planning, and recruiting, and interviewing, and going over things with the other coavhes, and all the other 1000 things he has to do? At some point, the players have to get themselves prepared. I'm not saying he's not to be blamed at all, but my God, some people never hold players accountable for ANYTHING.
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When a team comes out and performs as Dr. Jekyll one night and then Mr. Hyde the next night as UT does then it's 100% on the damn coach. Anyone that knows anything about basketball knows this. You never know what you are going to get with this team. Sometimes you get a team that beats the hell out of Virginia by 35 and then you get a team that can lose at home to A & M and to a bad Vandy team on the road. It's on the coach to motivate his team and have his team prepared. Period. Martin did neither tonight.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Although there was contact, if you are expecting a ref to bail you out at the end then you'll usually end up losing in the end. Maybe if Martin got some refs to respect him then he gets the call. Who knows. Who knows if Richardson would've hit both free throws. The fact that UT came out flat just boggles the mind. That's on Martin's ass to get his team ready. They weren't ready.

I know Vandy is no world beater and it might've been hard to get up for them, but they should've wiped the floor with that garbage team. If they don't beat the hell out of them when they come into TBA then they have zero fire or competitiveness.
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Never leave it in the refs hands. We failed to play defense....at all.
 
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Who cares. This game should not have came down to the last possession. We just completely failed tonight.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
When a team comes out and performs as Dr. Jekyll one night and then Mr. Hyde the next night as UT does then it's 100% on the damn coach. Anyone that knows anything about basketball knows this. You never know what you are going to get with this team. Sometimes you get a team that beats the hell out of Virginia by 35 and then you get a team that can lose at home to A & M and to a bad Vandy team on the road. It's on the coach to motivate his team and have his team prepared. Period. Martin did neither tonight.
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You've obviously never played sports. The coach can yell, pump up, get in their faces, or whatever to have them prepared, but it doesn't mean crap if the players don't get themselves up as well. Therefore, it is not 100% on the coach.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You've obviously never played sports. The coach can yell, pump up, get in their faces, or whatever to have them prepared, but it doesn't mean crap if the players don't get themselves up as well. Therefore, it is not 100% on the coach.
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I've played and coached both. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Keep blindly making excuses for a coach that is slowly bleeding this program to death. You'll end up looking like a bigger damn fool than you are now.

Any coach worth his salt would beat a team with only 7 scholarship players. That Vandy team is one of the least talented teams that they've ever had. It's a coach's job to get his players prepared. A good coach would have done that. Martin failed his team yet again.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I've played and coached both. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Keep blindly making excuses for a coach that is slowly bleeding this program to death. You'll end up looking like a bigger damn fool than you are now.

Any coach worth his salt would beat a team with only 7 scholarship players. That Vandy team is one of the least talented teams that they've ever had. It's a coach's job to get his players prepared. A good coach would have done that. Martin failed his team yet again.
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I agree with you 98%. I to have played and coached. And when I went up against a cross town rival I didn't need the coach to fire me up. I came out ready to beat down somebody. This team has no leadership on the floor what so ever.
 
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Stallings did an incredible coaching job with no bench and Jones was a beast defensively inside.
 
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Teach a little, just an eenie weenie bit of ball screen defense and you blow this team away.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I've played and coached both. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Keep blindly making excuses for a coach that is slowly bleeding this program to death. You'll end up looking like a bigger damn fool than you are now.

Any coach worth his salt would beat a team with only 7 scholarship players. That Vandy team is one of the least talented teams that they've ever had. It's a coach's job to get his players prepared. A good coach would have done that. Martin failed his team yet again.
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If you, as a player, need to have a coach always have to get you mentally prepared to play a game, especially one against a damn rival, you shouldn't be playing the game. Simple. I'll give you the schemes and everything, but coach should not have hold 18-21 year olds hands to be mentally prepared to play a game. Hell, I never needed a coach to have me mentally prepared when i was in Little League, because I was such a competitor.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You've obviously never played sports. The coach can yell, pump up, get in their faces, or whatever to have them prepared, but it doesn't mean crap if the players don't get themselves up as well. Therefore, it is not 100% on the coach.
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Its not 100% on the coach. You are correct. The rest is bs. CM cant coach or motivate his players to be their best. Even good is a stretch.
Worst gameplanning, adapting, rotation, scheme, system, SPACING, rhythm, coaching around. There are many, many highschool coaches that are better. There are children that know basketball better.
 
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-When you shoot 37%, and then allow your opponent to shoot 52%, you won't win many games.

-Take away JRich's 6-12 night, and our starters were a collective 13-39 from the field (33%).

-Why are we still taking 23 3-pointers against a team with 7 players??? That ball ahould have gone to paint on a pass or drive every single possession until you fouled each and every one of them out. Has this team learned NOTHING about shot selection? Hell, we're only 22 games into the season.

-I'm just about done with Cuonzo. If you can't get your team excited to beat down on your instate rival, then I've all but lost hope for you. Sure, you can say guys have to make shots, but as a coach, it's your responsibility to make sure they take good shots. If our game plan called for 23 3's, then he's a fool. If it didn't, then he's a doormat for his players who obviously march to the beat of their own drum. In either case, he's culpable.

-We just pissed away a great opportunity. Beating UVA, Xavier, and LSU on the road is completely underminded by losses like this one, UTEP, NCSU, and Texas A&M. It's baffling to me, the highs and lows of this team. From beating UVA by 35 points, to losing to a team with 7 scholarship players. I just don't get it, and unfortunately, it's becoming more and more apparent with every inexplicable loss, that I'm not the only one who "doesn't get it".
 
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I just don't understand why we didn't play up tempo and use our depth. That is where the true advantage was.
I agree with Chris, if taking 23 3's was the game plan, then WTF????

This team confuses me more and more every time I watch them.
 
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kyvol98 said:
I just don't understand why we didn't play up tempo and use our depth. That is where the true advantage was.
I agree with Chris, if taking 23 3's was the game plan, then WTF????

This team confuses me more and more every time I watch them.
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Because its obvious we lose with few fast breaks so might as well just have none for the game. Great plan and adjustments to get us that loss. I thought CM and staff did a great job, assuming they are trying to lose or have little brain function.
 
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cncchris33 said:
-When you shoot 37%, and then allow your opponent to shoot 52%, you won't win many games.

-Take away JRich's 6-12 night, and our starters were a collective 13-39 from the field (33%).

-Why are we still taking 23 3-pointers against a team with 7 players??? That ball ahould have gone to paint on a pass or drive every single possession until you fouled each and every one of them out. Has this team learned NOTHING about shot selection? Hell, we're only 22 games into the season.

-I'm just about done with Cuonzo. If you can't get your team excited to beat down on your instate rival, then I've all but lost hope for you. Sure, you can say guys have to make shots, but as a coach, it's your responsibility to make sure they take good shots. If our game plan called for 23 3's, then he's a fool. If it didn't, then he's a doormat for his players who obviously march to the beat of their own drum. In either case, he's culpable.

-We just pissed away a great opportunity. Beating UVA, Xavier, and LSU on the road is completely underminded by losses like this one, UTEP, NCSU, and Texas A&M. It's baffling to me, the highs and lows of this team. From beating UVA by 35 points, to losing to a team with 7 scholarship players. I just don't get it, and unfortunately, it's becoming more and more apparent with every inexplicable loss, that I'm not the only one who "doesn't get it".
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I think you're getting it Chris.
 
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