The "Vandy can suck it" cause that was a foul on Tennessee's last possession thread

#26
#26
cncchris33 said:
-When you shoot 37%, and then allow your opponent to shoot 52%, you won't win many games.

-Take away JRich's 6-12 night, and our starters were a collective 13-39 from the field (33%).

-Why are we still taking 23 3-pointers against a team with 7 players??? That ball ahould have gone to paint on a pass or drive every single possession until you fouled each and every one of them out. Has this team learned NOTHING about shot selection? Hell, we're only 22 games into the season.

-I'm just about done with Cuonzo. If you can't get your team excited to beat down on your instate rival, then I've all but lost hope for you. Sure, you can say guys have to make shots, but as a coach, it's your responsibility to make sure they take good shots. If our game plan called for 23 3's, then he's a fool. If it didn't, then he's a doormat for his players who obviously march to the beat of their own drum. In either case, he's culpable.

-We just pissed away a great opportunity. Beating UVA, Xavier, and LSU on the road is completely underminded by losses like this one, UTEP, NCSU, and Texas A&M. It's baffling to me, the highs and lows of this team. From beating UVA by 35 points, to losing to a team with 7 scholarship players. I just don't get it, and unfortunately, it's becoming more and more apparent with every inexplicable loss, that I'm not the only one who "doesn't get it".
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I agree. We have two bigs and they should be in the paint all the time and I believe when the Lady Vols were not playing with vigor, they were not allowed to enter the hallowed dressing room until they played with more effort. I believed it worked.

Go Vol!!!
 
#27
#27
calban said:
I think you're getting it Chris.
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You were right about the 3s.

We hit them against Bama and Ole miss, but the fact we took so many was alarming. It's like Chris pointed out about a month ago, we aren't good enough defensively to not hit shots and win.

Thought we should've gone 1-3-1 in the first half, not sure why we waited 25 minutes to decide man to man wasn't working.
 
#29
#29
bleedingTNorange said:
You were right about the 3s.

We hit them against Bama and Ole miss, but the fact we took so many was alarming. It's like Chris pointed out about a month ago, we aren't good enough defensively to not hit shots and win.

Thought we should've gone 1-3-1 in the first half, not sure why we waited 25 minutes to decide man to man wasn't working.
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Coaching?
 
#34
#34
Both sides of the argument in this thread are right.

Coaches can light a fire and motivate when needed.

However, someone on the floor who is dying to play in an NCAA tournament should be able to inspire his teammates too
 
#35
#35
99gator said:
Both sides of the argument in this thread are right.

Coaches can light a fire and motivate when needed.

However, someone on the floor who is dying to play in an NCAA tournament should be able to inspire his teammates too
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You guys wouldn't want to lend us your coach for the rest of the year would ya? :)

Nah I agree with you and I thought we had that last year in J Rich and McRae. But I haven't seen some of passionate outburst from McRae this year. And I don't think J Rich can motivate everyone else by himself. Would be ideal if Stokes took on some vocal leadership, but it appears that just isn't his style.

Kids need to have a spite for losing that correlates to frantic aggression. UT is missing this on the court and on the sidelines. imo
 
#36
#36
whobethis16 said:
If you, as a player, need to have a coach always have to get you mentally prepared to play a game, especially one against a damn rival, you shouldn't be playing the game. Simple. I'll give you the schemes and everything, but coach should not have hold 18-21 year olds hands to be mentally prepared to play a game. Hell, I never needed a coach to have me mentally prepared when i was in Little League, because I was such a competitor.
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Spartacavolus said:
Its not 100% on the coach. You are correct. The rest is bs. CM cant coach or motivate his players to be their best. Even good is a stretch.
Worst gameplanning, adapting, rotation, scheme, system, SPACING, rhythm, coaching around. There are many, many highschool coaches that are better. There are children that know basketball better.
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When something rots, it rots from the head down. The team takes on the personality of its coach. How many times has a Martin coached team served us up this type of sh*t sandwich to an inferior opponent? More than we'd like to count. How many times did you ever see a Pearl coached team get outhustled? Rarely, if ever. I constantly see this UT team get outhustled and the energy not be there. I can only imagine what his pre-game speeches are like. Hell, his style of basketball is boring as hell to me along with listening to him speak. I literally almost fall asleep. I can only wonder what the hell the players are thinking when he is giving them any instruction.
 
#37
#37
cncchris33 said:
-When you shoot 37%, and then allow your opponent to shoot 52%, you won't win many games.

-Take away JRich's 6-12 night, and our starters were a collective 13-39 from the field (33%).

-Why are we still taking 23 3-pointers against a team with 7 players??? That ball ahould have gone to paint on a pass or drive every single possession until you fouled each and every one of them out. Has this team learned NOTHING about shot selection? Hell, we're only 22 games into the season.

-I'm just about done with Cuonzo. If you can't get your team excited to beat down on your instate rival, then I've all but lost hope for you. Sure, you can say guys have to make shots, but as a coach, it's your responsibility to make sure they take good shots. If our game plan called for 23 3's, then he's a fool. If it didn't, then he's a doormat for his players who obviously march to the beat of their own drum. In either case, he's culpable.

-We just pissed away a great opportunity. Beating UVA, Xavier, and LSU on the road is completely underminded by losses like this one, UTEP, NCSU, and Texas A&M. It's baffling to me, the highs and lows of this team. From beating UVA by 35 points, to losing to a team with 7 scholarship players. I just don't get it, and unfortunately, it's becoming more and more apparent with every inexplicable loss, that I'm not the only one who "doesn't get it".
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Welcome aboard cncchris33! With every inexplicable loss, Martin is losing supporters by the minute. He only has himself and his incompetent staff to blame.

Our coaching staff went brain dead and couldn't scheme if their lives depended on it. When you know a team has only 7 players then what would most people do? Either press them and/or play at a fast pace or drive and get the ball inside and create fouls. We, of course, settled for the outside shot and played right into their hands. Then we continually allowed a spot up shooter to get wide open. Our help defense continues to suck 22 games into the season. If we do one thing right other than rebound we probably win going away even though we didn't play well.
 
#39
#39
99gator said:
Both sides of the argument in this thread are right.

Coaches can light a fire and motivate when needed.

However, someone on the floor who is dying to play in an NCAA tournament should be able to inspire his teammates too
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Jordan McRae said after the game they came out flat, that's on his as much as anyone else.

He's a senior, supposedly the leader, and has never really experienced the NCAAT. You would think he wants to get there as much as anyone, but in the first half it didn't look that way, none of them looked like they cared.
 
#40
#40
bleedingTNorange said:
Jordan McRae said after the game they came out flat, that's on his as much as anyone else.

He's a senior, supposedly the leader, and has never really experienced the NCAAT. You would think he wants to get there as much as anyone, but in the first half it didn't look that way, none of them looked like they cared.
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The fact is, McRae isn't a leader. He had to be sent home as a freshman when they were on their way to play an away game (Georgetown or Pitt) because he acted like a fool on the team bus. Pearl had to send his ass home. He has grown up a lot, but if this team is looking to him as a leader then they're looking in the wrong place. I thought Maymon would carry the torch, but it appears no one on this team can get through to this group. It's like they care too damn much about being cool and looking cool than playing their asses off.
 
#41
#41
OrangeBalls said:
Welcome aboard cncchris33! With every inexplicable loss, Martin is losing supporters by the minute. He only has himself and his incompetent staff to blame.

Our coaching staff went brain dead and couldn't scheme if their lives depended on it. When you know a team has only 7 players then what would most people do? Either press them and/or play at a fast pace or drive and get the ball inside and create fouls. We, of course, settled for the outside shot and played right into their hands. Then we continually allowed a spot up shooter to get wide open. Our help defense continues to suck 22 games into the season. If we do one thing right other than rebound we probably win going away even though we didn't play well.
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To be fair, I made it clear that I was rescinding my unconditional support for CCM after the NCSU debacle. I still support the team, but Martin hasn't gotten the benefit of the doubt from me for more than a month. Losses like we experienced last night only reinforce my decision.

Something is rotten in Denmark.
 
#42
#42
cncchris33 said:
To be fair, I made it clear that I was rescinding my unconditional support for CCM after the NCSU debacle. I still support the team, but Martin hasn't gotten the benefit of the doubt from me for more than a month. Losses like we experienced last night only reinforce my decision.

Something is rotten in Denmark.
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Anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge should know this by now.

We do this every year. We beat a couple of good teams to get our hopes up and then lay a gigantic turd against teams that we should be running off the floor. The maddening part about last night's loss was that it was against our in-state rival who is a garbage team that we should've handled yet our players came out "flat". That's inexcusable. Just like Martin's coaching tenure.
 
#44
#44
bleedingTNorange said:
Who's arguing otherwise? You seem to have this imaginary image of people running around proclaiming Martin as a HOF coach.
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And you seem to have this imaginary image of people being excited and happy that UT is still in the tourney as a #12 seed. Well, ring the damn bells!! We made it in Alice!!!!
 
#45
#45
OrangeBalls said:
And you seem to have this imaginary image of people being excited and happy that UT is still in the tourney as a #12 seed. Well, ring the damn bells!! We made it in Alice!!!!
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Once again, who has said they're happy? I already questioned where I said I was and you displayed your ill advised assumption of posts.
 
#46
#46
bleedingTNorange said:
Once again, who has said they're happy? I already questioned where I said I was and you displayed your ill advised assumption of posts.
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Anyone that keeps updating that we're still in the tourney as a #12 seed is beyond delusional. Period. It's gotten beyond comical.
 
#47
#47
OrangeBalls said:
Anyone that keeps updating that we're still in the tourney as a #12 seed is beyond delusional. Period. It's gotten beyond comical.
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1. I didn't update it

2. Because someone updates where we currently stand means they're happy with said position? Wow.
 
#48
#48
bleedingTNorange said:
1. I didn't update it

2. Because someone updates where we currently stand means they're happy with said position? Wow.
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Yet, you are the first to comment on it.

I think it's safe to say if we had a poll here who is the biggest UT homer on these boards you would win in a landslide. Care to wager that one?
 
#49
#49
OrangeBalls said:
Yet, you are the first to comment on it.

I think it's safe to say if we had a poll here who is the biggest UT homer on these boards you would win in a landslide. Care to wager that one?
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Lmao so because I'm the first to comment on said post means I'm happy with our current position.

Holy $hit batman, I've heard it all.

I would but I'm afraid I'd bankrupt your a&$ :crazy:
 
#50
#50
bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao so because I'm the first to comment on said post means I'm happy with our current position.

Holy $hit batman, I've heard it all.

I would but I'm afraid I'd bankrupt your a&$ :crazy:
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No, it's because you're the first to run to the defense of anything Martin. You are the Iraqi Prime Minister of Defense. When everything is crumbling down all around you, you are making post after post with: It's ok guys, we're still in the tourney as a #12 seed!!!!! We're still in the tourney!!! I told you so!!!
 
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