The Vandy trend is real. How real?

#55
#55
Fulmer also lost to Vandy. Dumb luck happens every decade or so. The ball isn't round; it sometimes bounces funny. A Peyton led team lost to Memphis also- the only difference is Memphis never became so deluded into thinking it would become a trend like Vandy does.
 
#56
#56
daj2576 said:
I wrote this the other day to address this very issue.

It isn't as bad as it seems for us, or as good as it seems for Vandy.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...trition-vs-talent-evaluation.html#post8698896
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Not sure how I missed this earlier but thanks! I really think UT is going to hand Vandy a beatdown this coming season. Here is how they compared against the same teams (H= Home; A =Away):
Vandy UT
USCe (H) L 13-17 (A) L 35-38
UGA (A) L 3-48 (A) L 44-51
Missou (A) W 19-15 (H) L 48-51
UF (H) L 17-31 (H) L 20-37
UK (A) W 40-0 (H) W 37-17
NCSU (--) W 38-24 (--) W 35-21

Overall, that tells me that they were similar teams - they had better coaches but we had better personnel. There were some anomalies: they trounced UK away and we had a closer game at home and we almost beat UGA away while they got trounced by 45 points. However, it was pretty even. It's pretty obvious that they had a huge advantage in schedule by playing Auburn while we played Bama, but overall, I think we should beat them by at least 14 at home and that we should be beating them by at least 21 again regularly in the near future.
 
#57
#57
Let me try that again with an embedded table. Fingers crossed...
Vandy UT
USCe (H) L 13-17 (A) L 35-38
UGA (A) L 3-48 (A) L 44-51
Missouri (A) W 19-15 (H) L 48-51
UF (H) L 17-31 (H) L 20-37
UK (A) W 40-0 (H) W 37-17
NCSU (--) W 38-24 (--) W 35-21
 
#59
#59
Mallicoat said:
Problem is look at all the people we have lost. To many to count. That is we're the gap has narrowed the most and we have fallen behind.
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There's your answer. 3 coaching transitions in 5 years will do it to anybody.
 
#60
#60
We see this talk every time Vandy starts playing teams close. Whoever the coach is at the time is a miracle worker. Then 3-4 years later he's Woody Widenhofer, Bobby Johnson or Gerry Dinardo.
 
#61
#61
bigoleorange said:
Rivals recruiting rankings go back to 2002. At the bottom is the average star rating for each recruiting class for both schools.
Rivals describes their ratings as follows.

"6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about"

6.1+ is a 5*
5.8 to 6 is a 4*
5.5 to 5.7 is a 3*
5.0 to 5.4 is a 2*


So, here is the sauce
2002 ut 3.96 vu 2.14
2003 ut 3.27 vu 2.23
2004 ut 3.25 vu 2.10
2005 ut 3.63 vu 2.08
2006 ut 3.09 vu 2.24
2007 ut 3.63 vu 2.50
2008 ut 3.06 vu 2.19
2009 ut 3.62 vu 2.72
2010 ut 3.44 vu 2.79
2011 ut 3.41 vu 2.71
2012 ut 3.38 vu 3.14
2013 ut 3.19 vu 3.15
2014 to date ut 3.42 vu 3.38

The gap has closed but it's still not close enough for Vandy to be finishing ahead of us.
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You're a ****ing idiot.

Why did you start this stupid a thread? Move back to ClayTravisville and be happy.
 
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#62
#62
bigoleorange said:
Rivals recruiting rankings go back to 2002. At the bottom is the average star rating for each recruiting class for both schools.
Rivals describes their ratings as follows.

"6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about"

6.1+ is a 5*
5.8 to 6 is a 4*
5.5 to 5.7 is a 3*
5.0 to 5.4 is a 2*


So, here is the sauce
2002 ut 3.96 vu 2.14
2003 ut 3.27 vu 2.23
2004 ut 3.25 vu 2.10
2005 ut 3.63 vu 2.08
2006 ut 3.09 vu 2.24
2007 ut 3.63 vu 2.50
2008 ut 3.06 vu 2.19
2009 ut 3.62 vu 2.72
2010 ut 3.44 vu 2.79
2011 ut 3.41 vu 2.71
2012 ut 3.38 vu 3.14
2013 ut 3.19 vu 3.15
2014 to date ut 3.42 vu 3.38

The gap has closed but it's still not close enough for Vandy to be finishing ahead of us.
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List of things ain't nobody got time for:
1. This
 
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#63
#63
Can
bigoleorange said:
Rivals recruiting rankings go back to 2002. At the bottom is the average star rating for each recruiting class for both schools.
Rivals describes their ratings as follows.

"6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect

6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team

5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player

4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about"

6.1+ is a 5*
5.8 to 6 is a 4*
5.5 to 5.7 is a 3*
5.0 to 5.4 is a 2*


So, here is the sauce
2002 ut 3.96 vu 2.14
2003 ut 3.27 vu 2.23
2004 ut 3.25 vu 2.10
2005 ut 3.63 vu 2.08
2006 ut 3.09 vu 2.24
2007 ut 3.63 vu 2.50
2008 ut 3.06 vu 2.19
2009 ut 3.62 vu 2.72
2010 ut 3.44 vu 2.79
2011 ut 3.41 vu 2.71
2012 ut 3.38 vu 3.14
2013 ut 3.19 vu 3.15
2014 to date ut 3.42 vu 3.38

The gap has closed but it's still not close enough for Vandy to be finishing ahead of us.
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ThAts Just A Testament Of What Decent Coaching Can DO For You
 
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#64
#64
So basically what this says is that even during our worst football in history and their best period ever, we are still ahead! Got it!
 
#65
#65
smokey0625 said:
You're a ****ing idiot.

Why did you start this stupid a thread? Move back to ClayTravisville and be happy.
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Oh i love the vols so much that i am irrational and ignore the truth and yell at those who point it out. How many bowls have they been to over the last two years? Their coach is probably the best they ever had and dont fool yourself if Butch fails and he keeps improving that program we will throw serious money at him. In fact if they play well this season and USC sucks it up i could see him replacing Kiffin. I think Butch will get us back to thumping them bc i believe Franklin looks better then he actually is bc we had the worst HC in history and Franklin wass able to get some recruits he should not have.
 
#66
#66
volfanhill said:
Oh i love the vols so much that i am irrational and ignore the truth and yell at those who point it out. How many bowls have they been to over the last two years? Their coach is probably the best they ever had and dont fool yourself if Butch fails and he keeps improving that program we will throw serious money at him. In fact if they play well this season and USC sucks it up i could see him replacing Kiffin. I think Butch will get us back to thumping them bc i believe Franklin looks better then he actually is bc we had the worst HC in history and Franklin wass able to get some recruits he should not have.
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If we were going to throw money at him it would have already happened. You sir are incorrect. He gets players because they are allowing exemptions now. With Bobby Johnson no exemptions, with Franklin exemptions. Hence, you see an improvement in recruiting.

Dude, every great program goes through down cycles. We re going through ours. Likewise, every bottom dweller has a few good years. Ask Kentucky and Tim Couch if their program went down after Timmy boy graduated. Ask TexasTech if they remained relevant. I stand by my previous comment.
 
#67
#67
smokey0625 said:
If we were going to throw money at him it would have already happened. You sir are incorrect. He gets players because they are allowing exemptions now. With Bobby Johnson no exemptions, with Franklin exemptions. Hence, you see an improvement in recruiting.

Dude, every great program goes through down cycles. We re going through ours. Likewise, every bottom dweller has a few good years. Ask Kentucky and Tim Couch if their program went down after Timmy boy graduated. Ask TexasTech if they remained relevant. I
stand by my previous comment.
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I have not read where there are allowing new exemptions. There would be no way Franklin would have been an option for us during the last search. UT fans would have burned the AD to the ground and rightfuly so. He needs to maintain this success before he gets a job of our size. Now if he keeps it up you can bet a big program will grab him. I dont think we will have to worry about the future against them, but the many people on this board who do not see the difference are just delusional. They have been on the rise for two straight seasons while we drowned in mediocrity. I hope, think, and pray Butch fixes our issues. If UT truly gets back to where it once was then I believe Franklin and Vandy go back to where they once were and belong.
 
#70
#70
It's not Candy that's good. It's that Dooley and company were just that damn bad.

Except for Hinshaw and Wilcox.
 
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