The Walking Dead

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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The only major cliffhanger would have been the Glenn fake out (and that wasn't Even how the ended as as I recall). I do agree that it drug on for about two episodes too long. All the others, mid season, tower falling, Daryl getting shot, were par for the course on this and so many other shows.

As for the moment from the comics, it could be argued they are trying to give it more respect by dragging it out. It's pretty well known who dies in the comics at this point. My guess is the number of viewers that haven't had that spoiled by now is very small. Doing this way continues the intrigue of the moment into the following season.
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"Being on par" doesn't excuse it; it just means they keep doing it. And what do you mean "that's not how they even ended it" with Glenn?

And your second paragraph...come on man, that's as fanboyish an answer as I've ever seen. Doing it "more respect"? That doesn't even make any sense. And "continuing the intrigue"....a nice way of saying "milking the crap out of it".
 
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WarDamnVols said:
1. I guarantee you some viewers will not tune in next season, should tonight end badly (as in, that certain rumor). tonight could be what pushes some over the edge for good.

2. The writers win? sure they'll get plenty of attention (mainly negative), but popularity and "hits" doesn't equate good.

3. Sadly, for some people, what character dies is pretty much the only reason they watch this show anymore. definitely become a main reason for me as well. but, that's because (a) the "journey" isn't quite as interesting as it used to be, and (b) I love the concept that nobody is safe, so it's always refreshing to be on the edge of my seat hoping a character lives for another episode or being shocked and heartbroken when that character bites it. and sadly, that's another thing this show has kind of struggled with lately.
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It may be for some but certainly not for most. In fact I have a friend who quit watching it because they kept killing off characters just as they got interesting (his words). He said the same thing after 3 seasons of GoT.

The concept of nobody is safe has always been limited. Rick is the main character, Carl and Judith are his anchors to humanity. They were always safe.

In the early seasons it was easy to kill off characters for shock value. Some characters had fates predetermined by the comics and some got swapped out. As the show has gone on the fans have formed favorites. These characters, Daryl, Glenn, Maggie, Michonne, and (over the past couple seasons) Carol are the ones that viewers keep tuning in for. We are at point where Glenn's comic fate is intersecting with the show. The producers had a tough decision about staying true to the source or swapping his fate with another character that would have a similar impact.

see the bold. that's the main thing. the way this certain cliffhanger would go, it would not be done right whatsoever.

the ending of the mid season finale was definitely intended as a legit "cliffhanger," and a very cheap, BS one at that.

and dragging out that "moment" over the coarse of 6 months would certainly not be respecting the source material lol
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I disagree. They are respecting it so much they want to use it not only as a season finale but as the launching point of the next season as well.

I will agree that if it is anybody less than the stature of say... Abraham, will be a crap on what I understand to be a seminal moment in the comics. Especially after a 6 month break.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
"Being on par" doesn't excuse it; it just means they keep doing it. And what do you mean "that's not how they even ended it" with Glenn?

And your second paragraph...come on man, that's as fanboyish an answer as I've ever seen. Doing it "more respect"? That doesn't even make any sense. And "continuing the intrigue"....a nice way of saying "milking the crap out of it".
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I mean the episode didn't end with Glenn's "death" or even him falling into the walkers > cut to black. There was almost 10 minutes of episode left following "his" intestines getting ripped out. Honestly they tried to shoot it in such a way that you just assumed he was dead and not pondering his fate for 4 more weeks.

Thats a stark contrast to the the horn blowing and the herd turning to Alexandria, or the tower falling and smashing the gates, or Sam saying "mom" in the herd, or even Rick being told over a walkie that Maggie and Carol were captured.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The only major cliffhanger would have been the Glenn fake out (and that wasn't Even how the ended as as I recall). I do agree that it drug on for about two episodes too long. All the others, mid season, tower falling, Daryl getting shot, were par for the course on this and so many other shows.

As for the moment from the comics, it could be argued they are trying to give it more respect by dragging it out. It's pretty well known who dies in the comics at this point. My guess is the number of viewers that haven't had that spoiled by now is very small. Doing this way continues the intrigue of the moment into the following season.
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A majority of the posts in response to online articles are fans saying they hate the idea of a cliffhanger. So many fans will be upset by dragging it out yet again
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I mean the episode didn't end with Glenn's "death" or even him falling into the walkers > cut to black. There was almost 10 minutes of episode left following "his" intestines getting ripped out. Honestly they tried to shoot it in such a way that you just assumed he was dead and not pondering his fate for 4 more weeks.

Thats a stark contrast to the the horn blowing and the herd turning to Alexandria, or the tower falling and smashing the gates, or Sam saying "mom" in the herd, or even Rick being told over a walkie that Maggie and Carol were captured.
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Please.....on the Talking Dead they immediately started the "Is Glenn Dead?" stuff. And yeah you can claim you don't watch it but the majority of fans do, AND it's made with the producers of the show so they definitely know exactly what Hardwick is saying on there.

Plus if you're going there, that episode still ended with a cliffhanger even I give you the Glenn thing, because Rick was stuck in the RV not starting and walkers surrounding it.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I disagree. They are respecting it so much they want to use it not only as a season finale but as the launching point of the next season as well.
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lol no.

removing nearly all of the shock and heartbreak away from one of the most shocking and heartbreaking moments of the comic, is definitely not respectful. and that's exactly what that rumor/dragging it out for 6 months, has them doing.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Please.....on the Talking Dead they immediately started the "Is Glenn Dead?" stuff. And yeah you can claim you don't watch it but the majority of fans do, AND it's made with the producers of the show so they definitely know exactly what Hardwick is saying on there.

Plus if you're going there, that episode still ended with a cliffhanger even I give you the Glenn thing, because Rick was stuck in the RV not starting and walkers surrounding it.
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If you go by ratings, less than half of the live viewers of TWD watch Talking Dead. That's not even including the amount of cord cutters that don't watch main show live. Granted it's still a lot of people

Sure the chatter started shortly after but that is not how they shot the scene.
 
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WarDamnVols said:
lol no.

removing nearly all of the shock and heartbreak away from one of the most shocking and heartbreaking moments of the comic, is definitely not respectful. and that's exactly what that rumor/dragging it out for 6 months, has them doing.
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How are they removing the heartbreak and anguish if they show it in the season opener?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I mean the episode didn't end with Glenn's "death" or even him falling into the walkers > cut to black. There was almost 10 minutes of episode left following "his" intestines getting ripped out. Honestly they tried to shoot it in such a way that you just assumed he was dead and not pondering his fate for 4 more weeks.

Thats a stark contrast to the the horn blowing and the herd turning to Alexandria, or the tower falling and smashing the gates, or Sam saying "mom" in the herd, or even Rick being told over a walkie that Maggie and Carol were captured.
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i think we're talking strictly legit cliffhangers. i mean, it is a loose term in some respects, you can technically call the ending of every episode a cliffhanger. but we're referring to more than just your basic end of episode tension/"Next week on the WD" stuff. basically stuff that's left unresolved for a long period of time, such as

****! they're all prisoners to cannibals at Terminus! omg what's gonna happen?!...bout 6 months
Glenn dead? is he or isn't?!...roughly 4 weeks.
midseason finale- omg the kid was talking, the walkers are getting louder, omg what's happening?!? ...little more than 2 months.
 
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WarDamnVols said:
i think we're talking strictly legit cliffhangers. i mean, it is a loose term in some respects, you can technically call the ending of every episode a cliffhanger. but we're referring to more than just your basic end of episode tension/"Next week on the WD" stuff. basically stuff that's left unresolved for a long period of time, such as

****! they're all prisoners to cannibals at Terminus! omg what's gonna happen?!...bout 6 months
Glenn dead? is he or isn't?!...roughly 4 weeks.
midseason finale- omg the kid was talking, the walkers are getting louder, omg what's happening?!? ...little more than 2 months.
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You pretty much summed up every time they've done it in six seasons but you guys are acting like they do it 3-4 times a season.

Anyway... As long as the episode as whole is good then I'll be happy. I'm not going to let a cliffhanger to set up the next season ruin it.
 
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I have a feeling even the DISAPPOINTED ain't gonna stop watching. :)
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
You pretty much summed up every time they've done it in six seasons but you guys are acting like they do it 3-4 times a season.

Anyway... As long as the episode as whole is good then I'll be happy. I'm not going to let a cliffhanger to set up the next season ruin it.
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If you like it, more power to you, but let's be honest, you're pretty much established you're going to like it almost no matter what. I even expect you to defend the show if it ends up being a less than Abraham character, even though you even admitted it would be taking a crap on the source material.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
How are they removing the heartbreak and anguish if they show it in the season opener?
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there's just so much more impact when you see it happen.

whereas, there's not much impact when you don't see it happen, but are completely aware of what just happened offscreen, and then forced to wait 6 months (and very possibly find out before then regardless).

burntorangeVOLffle said:
You pretty much summed up every time they've done it in six seasons but you guys are acting like they do it 3-4 times a season.

Anyway... As long as the episode as whole is good then I'll be happy. I'm not going to let a cliffhanger to set up the next season ruin it.
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well, i think we're mainly just talking about this season. and should they end this one with the supposed cliffhanger, that would count as 3. I certainly have never really had a problem with that until this season at least.

and regarding the bold, the supposed cliffhanger doesn't really do anything in terms of setting up the next season. next season will start at the same point regardless of whether we see or don't see who gets it.

anyways, i'm out. unfortunately, i have to work tonight haha will certainly return with my thoughts around 3am once i finally get to watch it. no way i'm waiting an entire day to see what happens lol

happy batting everyone!
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
If you like it, more power to you, but let's be honest, you're pretty much established you're going to like it almost no matter what. I even expect you to defend the show if it ends up being a less than Abraham character, even though you even admitted it would be taking a crap on the source material.
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I won't be jumping off a cliff upset but I will be let down.

I have been critical of the show before. As recent as the mid season opener which everyone else loved I felt was mostly mediocre.
 
#7,517
#7,517
If they go cliffhanger and then pull some crap like Aaron getting whacked I'm done. Promised a major character death this season and to get Aaron would be a joke.
 
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Honestly, I'm more watching to see how many spoilers are correct at this point. I'm almost positive it will be a cliffhanger as described by so many.
 
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