There should be an automatic dis-qualifier

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EastTNVol423 said:
I'm not saying we would BUT if we had 3 losses everybody here would be pounding the table about how we deserve that last spot. This site would melt down if we were automatically left out just because of 3 losses.
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A big consensus on here was we wouldn’t get in with 2 losses after the Georgia game. There would be some obviously, but I don’t think there would be a lot advocating for TN with 3 losses. Especially if we lost to Vandy.
 
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mpfvol said:
Honestly they may but I wouldn't . Bama lost 2 games to unranked opponents . And didnt score a TD against the Sooners few weeks ago.
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you're not wrong. the goalpost can be moved to fit whatever they want it to look at. look at those bad losses. look at good wins. head to head. they can change it every week.

I want bama out as much as anybody but i have a hard time looking past the head to head wins vs ole miss and sc. those have to have heavy weight or don't play a regular season.
 
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UTFanForLife said:
A big consensus on here was we wouldn’t get in with 2 losses after the Georgia game. There would be some obviously, but I don’t think there would be a lot advocating for TN with 3 losses. Especially if we lost to Vandy.
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If we had a 3rd loss to vandy (same as bama) and had the head to head win over bama.....you think people wouldn't be going nuts today that we should be ahead of them in the 12th spot? (thankfully we don't have to worry about it haha)
 
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EastTNVol423 said:
If we had a 3rd loss to vandy (same as bama) and had the head to head win over bama.....you think people wouldn't be going nuts today that we should be ahead of them in the 12th spot? (thankfully we don't have to worry about it haha)
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I’m not sure, judging by some posts the last few weeks lol.
 
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ATLVols said:
There might not be 12 teams some years with 2 losses or less from worthy programs. That might trigger small programs like Army getting in ahead of a better SEC team.
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When Army did get their chance to stand up and be counted, they mailed it in. Of course UNI really pissed off ND. If ND had won that game, they'd have regressed to their typical 9-3 season.
 
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Kylo said:
Why are you crying about someone else making it? UT literally made it. Alabama has every right to make it. They are better than Miami. There are always 2 and 3 loss teams around the 12-15 spots in the polls.
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I'd go so far as to say USCe would beat Miami right now. Ole Miss and UGA are like a box of chocolates. You never know what QB you're gonna get. Milroe has the unique ability to play the exact opposite of the opponents talent.
 
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EastTNVol423 said:
you're not wrong. the goalpost can be moved to fit whatever they want it to look at. look at those bad losses. look at good wins. head to head. they can change it every week.

I want bama out as much as anybody but i have a hard time looking past the head to head wins vs ole miss and sc. those have to have heavy weight or don't play a regular season.
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I have a hard time looking past any team , in this case Bama picking up their third loss late in the season , to a bad Oklahoma team .
 
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EastTNVol423 said:
you're not wrong. the goalpost can be moved to fit whatever they want it to look at. look at those bad losses. look at good wins. head to head. they can change it every week.

I want bama out as much as anybody but i have a hard time looking past the head to head wins vs ole miss and sc. those have to have heavy weight or don't play a regular season.
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Agreed.

The technology and coders have long been available to these qualifying parameters and all you have to do is plug in 60 game results each week, and let the sorting sort itself. Take the Herbie effect out of it. Take parts of what the BCS was supposed to do and jack up the coding. Then it is done and set for the season. With today's computer kids, this realistically is not insumountable nor over-whelming to set up.
 
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Kylo said:
Why are you crying about someone else making it? UT literally made it. Alabama has every right to make it. They are better than Miami. There are always 2 and 3 loss teams around the 12-15 spots in the polls.
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Some of us are capable of having more than one thought at the same time. I am beyond ecstatic that our VOLS made the first ever 12 team CFP and I think we are peaking at the right time and poised to make a run . I am also tired of the Bama bias year in year out . No other 3 loss team losing to a 6-6 vandy and losing late in the season to a 6-6 Oklahoma , would be anywhere near the playoffs.
 
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#1n51&98 said:
Some of us are capable of having more than one thought at the same time. I am beyond ecstatic that our VOLS made the first ever 12 team CFP and I think we are peaking at the right time and poised to make a run . I am also tired of the Bama bias year in year out . No other 3 loss team losing to a 6-6 vandy and losing late in the season to a 6-6 Oklahoma , would be anywhere near the playoffs.
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That team would have settled around #19-21 without the A logo.
 
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Here's my take on the season as a whole:

1. "We" always knock the quality of the B1G top to bottom. (Even Herbie and other squawkers said this year that the top half of the Big 10 and others are .500 teams in the SEC).

2. A universally accepted weak Pac12 of recent years+ disbanded and the supposed 4 best teams of the P12 went B1G. The best team of the P12 instantly posts a 12-0 run into the B1G title game. The other 3 Big Teams that were big fish in the P12 floundered in the B1G. Oregons conference opponents are 3 games under .500 on the regular season over-all. 17 games under .500 in conference play. Oregon only had 2 ranked wins at the time of play.

3. Oregons weak as crap schedule and their dominance of the B1G made a mockery of that conference IMO. The other 3 should have been an embarrasment to whoever invited them in.

4. Yes, Texas also waltzed into the SEC straight to the title game. By our standards they had a weak conference schedule. By national opinion it was tougher than any conference schedule they'd have had elsewhere. And atleast a bad OK team atleast made it to 6-6.
 
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#1n51&98 said:
I have a hard time looking past any team , in this case Bama picking up their third loss late in the season , to a bad Oklahoma team .
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You aren't wrong about that being a bad loss. Ole miss has a worse loss to a terrible kentucky team. SC doesn't have a worse loss but was on the field against bama and lost the game. There isn't a better way to judge two teams against each other than rolling the ball out and letting them go head to head.
 
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Other_Guy said:
When boise gets the 4 seed, will you still agree?
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Are there flaws in the system? yeah. They definitely need to do away with the bye. 12 team playoff is for sure better than 4. It has made the regular season much more meaningful for a lot of teams. Plus we get more meaningful games in the post season instead of a bunch of crap bowl games that nobody really cares about.
 
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Easy way to fix this is to make it a tournament of 'champions'. Only way you get in is to win your conference championship - so go back to 8, take the conference champions - seed them 1-8 and let them play. Teams that don't want to join a conference can't participate - they must join a conference.

Yes, I know some teams that don't make it will be better than the champions of at least 4 conferences, maybe more - but it is objective. The conferences would be at liberty on how they select the champion - one game or a mini-play in over several games. B1G and SEC could have a mini playoff 4 teams to 2 to 1 which would decide it on the field at the end of the season.

As long as they continue to make this about "a person / committee's" opinion of who is the "best teams", there will always be controversy around the evaluation of the teams in relation to each other. And there will always be factors (money, etc.) that will influence those decisions.

You absolutely cannot say team A beat team B and team B beat team C, so team A would beat team C. There will always be exceptions and teams match up differently, have good days and bad days. The whole strength of schedule calculation is just statistics that is easily influenced by a team winning a lot of games against sub-par teams.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
A certain breed of Vol fan still complains about the BCS hypothetically screwing us in 1998 if Kansas State and UCLA had gone undefeated.

The BCS made us the number 1 team for the final 5 rankings of the season.
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But there were scenarios where, based on strength of schedule and margin of victory, where UT would have been left out. There were several articles in the paper all week long before championship Saturday, breaking down how each team could be left out. They talked about it on Sports Talk for hours and hours. Miami had the best strength of schedule, and KSU had the best margin of victory. UT was in the middle of both, and those variables were the key factors in the first few years of the BCS, with all the crazy computer polls.

People forget how wild those computer polls were. The Sagarin poll had undefeated UT as 3rd the week before championship Saturday, because that poll weighed so heavily on margin of victory, and UT squeaked by Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas. The NYT poll had one-loss FSU as #1, because they had the most difficult schedule. No one understood it. Everyone was confused, even more so than this year, with the new playoff format.

It was a slim probability, only about 10%, but UT might have been left out of the national title game if Miami and KSU won their games in blowouts, and UT barely scraped by Mississippi State in the SEC championship game.
 
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EastTNVol423 said:
Are there flaws in the system? yeah. They definitely need to do away with the bye. 12 team playoff is for sure better than 4. It has made the regular season much more meaningful for a lot of teams. Plus we get more meaningful games in the post season instead of a bunch of crap bowl games that nobody really cares about.
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People stopped caring about bowls when they added more, letting in some rare instances 5-7 teams in and then now made the playoffs. "Expansion" caused that problem, which undermines your argument.
 
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#1n51&98 said:
No 3 loss team should make the 12 team CFP , unless they win or at the very least play for a major conference championship .
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A 3-loss team playing an SEC schedule should always get the nod over a 2-loss team playing creampuff Big 10, ACC, or Big 12 schedules, and in some cases should be rated higher than 1-loss programs like Indiana and Penn State, who beat no one.

I know everyone is obsessed with Alabama getting in, but the issue is way less about Alabama than it is about the corrupt "committee" insuring that all the big money, high TV ratings schools not only getting in, but in the case of Penn State and either Notre Dame or Alabama getting easy rides to the final four.
 
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Other_Guy said:
People stopped caring about bowls when they added more, letting in some rare instances 5-7 teams in and then now made the playoffs. "Expansion" caused that problem, which undermines your argument.
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true to an extent. you would get some interesting match ups in a 16 team playoff though. a 16 vs 1 match up in a playoff scenario would be cared about much more than any bowl game in the old system. Every game in the playoff actually means something. also going to have less opt outs.

also, if the playoff stayed at 4 teams we probably don't see our beloved vols there much at all....be careful what you wish for. we at least have a chance to be there every year now.
 
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sami said:
A 3-loss team playing an SEC schedule should always get the nod over a 2-loss team playing creampuff Big 10, ACC, or Big 12 schedules, and in some cases should be rated higher than 1-loss programs like Indiana and Penn State, who beat no one.

I know everyone is obsessed with Alabama getting in, but the issue is way less about Alabama than it is about the corrupt "committee" insuring that all the big money, high TV ratings schools not only getting in, but in the case of Penn State and either Notre Dame or Alabama getting easy rides to the final four.
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be careful using the word "always". no part of me thinks that mizzou should get in over any of those 1 or 2 loss schools from other conferences....
 
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