This bowl season was terrible

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The SEC came out of this bowl season the clear number 1. Not even a close second. If Texas A&M had a QB, they would have won. Florida just got #### kicked (which has helped contribute to my enjoyment of the bowl season).

Now if Clemson will beat Alabama, I will be very happy with this bowl season.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, the argument is: "They were beaten so bad, they obviously can't be worse than the ones who beat them so bad"?

If they were all competitive games, that wouldn't have shown them well matched?
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Yeah, that's more or less how I read it: "some teams got beat so bad early on, that their players gave up and they played even worse, resulting in a real blowout, which means they really were better teams than they appeared to be."

Maxxx, your OP really didn't make much sense, and your explanations haven't cleared it up any.

I'm sorry you're not enjoying this bowl season, but I gotta tell you, as a Vols fan, I'm having a blast. Oh, and btw, there were a LOT of really good, competitive games right up until the 30th of December. If you missed those, that's too bad. They were some great games (though none involving the SEC, sadly).
 
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Lol the b10 has little man syndrome. They're paranoid and see everything as an attack on their league. Its not our fault that they're weak.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, the argument is: "They were beaten so bad, they obviously can't be worse than the ones who beat them so bad"?

If they were all competitive games, that wouldn't have shown them well matched?
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Its the way some teams played. If you don't watch a lot of football and see many of these teams play then you cant understand what I am talking about. I watch Pac12 games late at night, I watch big 12 games on fox sports, I watch big 10 games on the big 10 network, I watch sec games on the sec network, I watch acc games as well. That fact is I have seen these teams a time or two and some of them played totally flat and lifeless ball. I'm not saying the teams that got blown out should have somehow won or are better than the teams they lost to. There were games I was looking at in which the winning team could have scored 100 points if they wanted to. Too many teams just did not come to play, and that is disappointing.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, that's more or less how I read it: "some teams got beat so bad early on, that their players gave up and they played even worse, resulting in a real blowout, which means they really were better teams than they appeared to be."

Maxxx, your OP really didn't make much sense, and your explanations haven't cleared it up any.

I'm sorry you're not enjoying this bowl season, but I gotta tell you, as a Vols fan, I'm having a blast. Oh, and btw, there were a LOT of really good, competitive games right up until the 30th of December. If you missed those, that's too bad. They were some great games (though none involving the SEC, sadly).
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So, they were getting beat badly, and they're quitters? I'm still having trouble following how maxxx is making the case that it's anything but an inequality in teams.

(Losing big and quitting is worse than just losing big.)
 
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maxxx said:
... Take a look at this thread, and notice that someone else started with the big 10 stuff. Not me. Why are you guys so threatened by the big 10 that you have to mention them even when others don't??
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1. I'll stop being an A-hole IF....
You provide me a link to a thread you started last year.
One where you decided OSU winning didn't really mean they were better. I'm sure you created that thread or something similar right?

2. threatened? lol... I would love to play our bowl again next week.
 
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maxxx said:
Its the way some teams played. If you don't watch a lot of football and see many of these teams play then you cant understand what I am talking about. I watch Pac12 games late at night, I watch big 12 games on fox sports, I watch big 10 games on the big 10 network, I watch sec games on the sec network, I watch acc games as well. That fact is I have seen these teams a time or two and some of them played totally flat and lifeless ball. I'm not saying the teams that got blown out should have somehow won or are better than the teams they lost to. There were games I was looking at in which the winning team could have scored 100 points if they wanted to. Too many teams just did not come to play, and that is disappointing.
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If a group of teams look competitive against one another and then get curb stomped by another groups of teams... What does that indicate?
 
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maxxx said:
Its the way some teams played. If you don't watch a lot of football and see many of these teams play then you cant understand what I am talking about. I watch Pac12 games late at night, I watch big 12 games on fox sports, I watch big 10 games on the big 10 network, I watch sec games on the sec network, I watch acc games as well. That fact is I have seen these teams a time or two and some of them played totally flat and lifeless ball. I'm not saying the teams that got blown out should have somehow won or are better than the teams they lost to. There were games I was looking at in which the winning team could have scored 100 points if they wanted to. Too many teams just did not come to play, and that is disappointing.
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Look, Maxxx, I'm sure you're a fan of the game. I am, too. I also watch a lot of games. Have watched most of the bowl games, in fact.

And fact is, there have been a lot of really good, competitive games this bowl season. Just not so many in the past three days.

Good, competitive games I remember: BYU-Utah ("the holy war," they called it) ... Appalachian State-Ohio (App State's first bowl game, and first bowl win) ... Temple-Toledo (though Toledo did pull away toward the end) ... Akron-Utah State (watching Terry Bowden for the first time in a long time was fun, really thought Utah State had it won for a while) ... Miami-Washington State (thought Richt would be there already, but he wasn't) ... Indiana-Duke (real thriller, right to the end) ... and Nebraska-UCLA. I didn't see Wisconsin-USC, but sounds like it was good, too. THEN the string of blowouts started, with only the A&M-Louisville game really close from that point on. Houston-FSU was competitive, too, I guess. Oh, and Oregon-TCU right now is pretty thrilling.

So there's been some really good football. But if you're a B10 (or especially a B12) fan, it has sucked because some key teams have really embarrassed themselves and their conferences.

On the other hand, for the teams that won, this is an awesome bowl season.

So really, it seems that for you, it comes down to sour grapes.

Hate to say that, but I can't read it any other way based on what you've told us.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, not just the bowls. Keep track of inter-conference results from the regular season, as well:

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This chart speaks to what I am saying. The W/L are very close between the leagues. This chart suggests that the leagues are pretty well matched up. In theory, we should not be seeing evenly matched teams playing 50-7 blowout games, no matter what league they are in. I don't think Florida get hammered like that if they played again. The same with MSU, OKSt, Iowa. LSU and UT probably win like they did 9 of 10 times, but I cant see AUB doing that to UM again or GSU beating BGSU like that again.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
So really, it seems that for you, it comes down to sour grapes.

Hate to say that, but I can't read it any other way based on what you've told us.
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How is it sour grapes if I am referring to teams that I don't even like?? Yes, I like the Big 10, but I also like the SEC. Just the constant chirping from SEC fans gets really annoying. Why the hell would I not be a UT and SEC fan, yet be on this site?? BTW, the avatar pic is of an old UT player, my dad. So, I would not think the term sour grapes applies here. I'm happy with the UT win, but disappointed by the big games that turned out to be terrible for the most part.
 
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maxxx said:
This chart speaks to what I am saying. The W/L are very close between the leagues. This chart suggests that the leagues are pretty well matched up. In theory, we should not be seeing evenly matched teams playing 50-7 blowout games, no matter what league they are in. I don't think Florida get hammered like that if they played again. The same with MSU, OKSt, Iowa. LSU and UT probably win like they did 9 of 10 times, but I cant see AUB doing that to UM again or GSU beating BGSU like that again.
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I think you'd need to break down who played whom. You'll need a lot of stats to follow that up and disprove the head-to-head we saw this year.

But hey... All you need to do is be convinced in your own mind. Shouldn't matter much what everyone else believes.
 
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maxxx said:
How is it sour grapes if I am referring to teams that I don't even like?? Yes, I like the Big 10, but I also like the SEC. Just the constant chirping from SEC fans gets really annoying. Why the hell would I not be a UT and SEC fan, yet be on this site?? BTW, the avatar pic is of an old UT player, my dad. So, I would not think the term sour grapes applies here. I'm happy with the UT win, but disappointed by the big games that turned out to be terrible for the most part.
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You know what quiets that? Not getting curb stomped.

You know what doesn't quiet that? Trying to convince everyone that curb stomps prove that the teams are evenly matched.
 
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maxxx said:
Damn right I am. I'm also a huge UT fan. Above all, I am a sports and football fan. I have the ability to remove my allegiances and give an accurate, non bias opinion. Bottom line is that there were way too many blowouts to think that the differences are that big between the schools and leagues.
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Whatever..... History shows the SEC has consistantly spanked the B1G
 
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maxxx said:
I have listened to all the talk about the conferences and who's best, who's worse. In my eyes its all BS when the games play out like they did this year. The real truth is that the top tier teams in all of the power leagues can go toe to toe. They all have the same type of athletes and pump players to the NFL. The amount of blowouts this year is no real indication of the level of play in the leagues, and for sure not a true sign of the teams competition levels. I see a lot of football games and I saw teams that played totally different in the bowl game, than I saw them play over several regular season games. One can only conclude that the SEC had the best bowl season, and the biggest wins. But the way teams were laying down all over the place, it doesn't carry much weight with me. These teams really need to bring there A games to the biggest stages.
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I mean, I watched Tennessee open a can of whoop-ass and Florida got whipped. Seemed pretty god-damn awesome to me.
 
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maxxx said:
Damn right I am. I'm also a huge UT fan. Above all, I am a sports and football fan. I have the ability to remove my allegiances and give an accurate, non bias opinion. Bottom line is that there were way too many blowouts to think that the differences are that big between the schools and leagues.
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So basically there is no way to say what conference is the best right?
 
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maxxx said:
How is it sour grapes if I am referring to teams that I don't even like?? Yes, I like the Big 10, but I also like the SEC. Just the constant chirping from SEC fans gets really annoying. Why the hell would I not be a UT and SEC fan, yet be on this site?? BTW, the avatar pic is of an old UT player, my dad. So, I would not think the term sour grapes applies here. I'm happy with the UT win, but disappointed by the big games that turned out to be terrible for the most part.
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Blame the inferior opposition from lesser conferences for your crappy games.
 
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maxxx said:
The flaw I see here is that you are only going off of bowl games it seems. I know you guys here don't like the big 10, but you cant throw away the two teams that played for the big 10 title because they looked like poop in a bowl game. So one game speaks to the type of teams they are more than the whole season?? Don't forget that MSU beat OSU with a backup QB on the road. Yet you put OSU on your "big boy" list. Its not just for big 10 teams either. OK st is much better than they showed as well
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Totally disagree.

Iowa was undefeated in the Big 10 & regular season. Barely lost to Mich St in the championship. Rose Bowl result vs Stanford was nearly identical to Gator Bowl result vs Tennessee last year. Iowa was never in either game.

Mich St was dominated by Alabama. Never in the game.

tOSU had the easiest road to the playoffs and still managed to lose in the regular season to a lesser and undermanned Mich St team.

If the B1G wants college football fans to take them seriously then they will start competing in and winning their bowl games - especially vs SEC, PAC-12, Big 12 and ACC.
 
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maxxx said:
This chart speaks to what I am saying. The W/L are very close between the leagues. This chart suggests that the leagues are pretty well matched up. In theory, we should not be seeing evenly matched teams playing 50-7 blowout games, no matter what league they are in. I don't think Florida get hammered like that if they played again. The same with MSU, OKSt, Iowa. LSU and UT probably win like they did 9 of 10 times, but I cant see AUB doing that to UM again or GSU beating BGSU like that again.
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You seem like maybe you haven't followed very closely.

Florida's QB situation may be the worst in all of FBS.

Also, Iowa has done this 2 yrs in a row. Why should anyone believe they'd perform better in a rematch? The Iowa problem is they simply can't match up with teams that have a lot of players with speed.
 
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There was exactly 1 good game this bowl season. TCU vs Oregon.
 
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Yeah I'm an insomniac so with that game going on and the lawler-condit fight going on there was no way I was going to get to sleep at a reasonable time
 
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