This is How Trump Destroys the Republican Party

[MontyPython]

'It's like nothing I've ever seen'

"...For McConnell and Thune, the matter of simply stating the obvious -- that Joe Biden is the President-elect in McConnell's case, that a floor effort to overturn the results would fail catastrophically in Thune's -- served as the ultimate betrayal to Trump.

Trump's assistant stunned GOP senators when an unsolicited e-mail showed up with a PowerPoint slide that showed McConnell's polling in his 2020 Senate contest. Trump appeared to believe it showed his endorsement of McConnell, and a subsequent robocall on his behalf, was crucial to McConnell's victory.

McConnell won his race by nearly 20 points.

In Thune's case, the President wasted little time taking his 280-character blowtorch to a popular member of the Republican conference considered a top candidate to take over as GOP leader when McConnell departs.

"Republicans in the Senate so quickly forget. Right now they would be down 8 seats without my backing them in the last Election. RINO John Thune, "Mitch's boy", should just let it play out. South Dakota doesn't like weakness. He will be primaried in 2022, political career over!!!"

Trump's browbeating of his fellow Republicans in Congress follows a familiar pattern that's occurred throughout his presidential term, where at various point a GOP Senator or House member would raise concerns, only to face Trump's social media wrath.

What followed, according to several lawmakers who experienced it, was an explosion back in their home states or districts. Offices were barraged with furious callers and primary challenges were explored by local up-and-comers who pledged unyielding fealty to Trump.

"It's like nothing I've ever seen," a GOP senator told CNN. "You get singed by it once and realize OK, there's no real upside to going in that direction again."

It's a reality that has infuriated Democrats, many of whom regularly talk of hearing privately from their GOP colleagues how unseemly they find Trump's behavior. "But always privately. Always," a Democratic senator told CNN. "What an embarrassment."

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Trump forces his loyal minions to follow him blindly off the cliff, and the GOP follows.

Politics at its worse.

Will it ultimately end in the dissolution of the party? Will the GOP be anything other than the minority party of disaffected conspiracy theorists that it's become? Its platform appeals to anti-immigrant, 2A gun-toting, old white people. Not exactly the future of America.

Trump is a RINO. This is fact. Anyone who knew his politics prior to running for President will freely admit this.

In 2016, he absconded and corrupted the Republican party. Why? Because the Republican party let him. The GOP prioritized winning back the White House over principles in selecting him in 2016.

... and now this Frankenstein monster returns to smite its creator and 'master'.

Merry Christmas, GOP, and RIP!

 

[volfanhill]

Every single time the WH or House changes hands, the winning side without fail, claims the other is dead. And every single time they are wrong. The middle 10% always recoil after one side gets too fat and happy at the dinner table. It's the way it will always be.

 

[hog88]

Let's hope he destroyed the republican party as we have known them.

 

[MontyPython]

Let's hope he destroyed the republican party as we have known them.

It's got to evolve.

I was once a registered Republican. I know, hard to believe, but true. It's simply not the same party anymore.

Fiscal conservative policy? Gone.

Free trade? Gone.

These are 2 extremely important points to me, at least. Until when and if I ever see that return to the party, I won't be back. And, obviously, if they were to even consider re-upping King Douchebag in '24, well yeah... never.

 

[hog88]

It's got to evolve.

I was once a registered Republican. I know, hard to believe, but true. It's simply not the same party anymore.

Fiscal conservative policy? Gone.

Free trade? Gone.

These are 2 extremely important points to me, at least. Until when and if I ever see that return to the party, I won't be back. And, obviously, if they were to even consider re-upping King Douchebag in '24, well yeah... never.

Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in almost 1/2 a century with the one exception of the years Newt was SOH. So you haven't known the Rs to be fiscally conservative.

Just what is free trade because we don't have that now and haven't for decades. Either we and our trading partners are playing by similar rules or it's not free trade.

So in short you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about.

 

[Volgolfer1618]

It's got to evolve.

I was once a registered Republican. I know, hard to believe, but true. It's simply not the same party anymore.

Fiscal conservative policy? Gone.

Free trade? Gone.

These are 2 extremely important points to me, at least. Until when and if I ever see that return to the party, I won't be back. And, obviously, if they were to even consider re-upping King Douchebag in '24, well yeah... never.

Lol, yet you now support a party that is 10000x worse.

 

[Volgolfer1618]

Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in almost 1/2 a century with the one exception of the years Newt was SOH. So you haven't known the Rs to be fiscally conservative.

Just what is free trade because we don't have that now and haven't for decades. Either we and our trading partners are playing by similar rules or it's not free trade.

So in short you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about.

Quite true he is clueless. We get the shaft on "free trade".

 

[1972 Grad]

Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in almost 1/2 a century with the one exception of the years Newt was SOH. So you haven't known the Rs to be fiscally conservative.

Just what is free trade because we don't have that now and haven't for decades. Either we and our trading partners are playing by similar rules or it's not free trade.

So in short you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about.

Free trade has to be fair for both sides, and Goldwater was the last real Conservative on the head of the ticket. Once again, you are correct.

 

[evillawyer]

'It's like nothing I've ever seen'

"...For McConnell and Thune, the matter of simply stating the obvious -- that Joe Biden is the President-elect in McConnell's case, that a floor effort to overturn the results would fail catastrophically in Thune's -- served as the ultimate betrayal to Trump.

Trump's assistant stunned GOP senators when an unsolicited e-mail showed up with a PowerPoint slide that showed McConnell's polling in his 2020 Senate contest. Trump appeared to believe it showed his endorsement of McConnell, and a subsequent robocall on his behalf, was crucial to McConnell's victory.

McConnell won his race by nearly 20 points.

In Thune's case, the President wasted little time taking his 280-character blowtorch to a popular member of the Republican conference considered a top candidate to take over as GOP leader when McConnell departs.

"Republicans in the Senate so quickly forget. Right now they would be down 8 seats without my backing them in the last Election. RINO John Thune, "Mitch's boy", should just let it play out. South Dakota doesn't like weakness. He will be primaried in 2022, political career over!!!"

Trump's browbeating of his fellow Republicans in Congress follows a familiar pattern that's occurred throughout his presidential term, where at various point a GOP Senator or House member would raise concerns, only to face Trump's social media wrath.

What followed, according to several lawmakers who experienced it, was an explosion back in their home states or districts. Offices were barraged with furious callers and primary challenges were explored by local up-and-comers who pledged unyielding fealty to Trump.

"It's like nothing I've ever seen," a GOP senator told CNN. "You get singed by it once and realize OK, there's no real upside to going in that direction again."

It's a reality that has infuriated Democrats, many of whom regularly talk of hearing privately from their GOP colleagues how unseemly they find Trump's behavior. "But always privately. Always," a Democratic senator told CNN. "What an embarrassment."

# # #

Trump forces his loyal minions to follow him blindly off the cliff, and the GOP follows.

Politics at its worse.

Will it ultimately end in the dissolution of the party? Will the GOP be anything other than the minority party of disaffected conspiracy theorists that it's become? Its platform appeals to anti-immigrant, 2A gun-toting, old white people. Not exactly the future of America.

Trump is a RINO. This is fact. Anyone who knew his politics prior to running for President will freely admit this.

In 2016, he absconded and corrupted the Republican party. Why? Because the Republican party let him. The GOP prioritized winning back the White House over principles in selecting him in 2016.

... and now this Frankenstein monster returns to smite its creator and 'master'.

Merry Christmas, GOP, and RIP!

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[MontyPython]

Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in almost 1/2 a century with the one exception of the years Newt was SOH. So you haven't known the Rs to be fiscally conservative.

Just what is free trade because we don't have that now and haven't for decades. Either we and our trading partners are playing by similar rules or it's not free trade.

So in short you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about.

Hmm... seems the Reagan Foundation and CATO Institute agree with me. Guessing your subscriptions ran out.

Is the GOP Still the Party of Free Trade?

“The effective abandonment of its free trade credentials sets the Republican Party on a perilous path.”

"...Though President Trump will ultimately leave office—no later than 2025—and even though some prominent Democrats have been supportive of his approach, it is the Republican Party that will be tarred by the policy failure and the sacrifice of key principles.

So what can Republicans do to reclaim the mantle of the party of free trade? Any effective approach will require public confrontation with President Trump. At one point, there was a theory espoused by some party leaders that the best tactic would be to pursue quiet discussions with the president behind the scenes. These leaders hoped to persuade the president to eschew a protectionist path while they avoided any sort of public dispute. That effort clearly failed."

Are Republicans Still the Party of Free Trade?

"...The U.S. Constitution vests Congress with the authority to regulate commerce, but over the years it has ceded that authority. If the current environment does not invigorate Republican members of Congress to work to take back this responsibility, it is hard to take claims that they value trade as a benefit for Americans seriously. Meanwhile, polls suggest that most Americans support free trade, and Democrats have surpassed Republicans as its most ardent supporters. We have yet to see whether Democrats will take up the mantle of free traders, but in the meantime, the Republicans certainly can no longer claim that title, as they continue to make excuses for the president’s actions. The party of free trade? No. More like the Grand Old Protectionists."

Establishment Republicans Can No Longer Claim to Be Fiscal Conservatives

"...But in the long run, spending is the true burden of government activity.

The Republicans should have been telling voters that if they want to keep their tax cuts, there needs to be some fiscal restraint.

Instead, they have now given up any pretense of caring about the government debt burden.

We are therefore left with the bizarre spectacle of President Trump having last year advocated for balancing the budget over 10 years, only for a Republican‐controlled Congress to present him with proposals that will blow up deficits to more than $1 trillion per year.

Extrapolating this forward, the only feasible means of the US getting on top of its terrifying debt outlook is to reform the generosity and eligibility of entitlements, yet Trump has effectively said this will not happen."

 

[hog88]

Hmm... seems the Reagan Foundation and CATO Institute agree with me. Guessing your subscriptions ran out.

Is the GOP Still the Party of Free Trade?

“The effective abandonment of its free trade credentials sets the Republican Party on a perilous path.”

"...Though President Trump will ultimately leave office—no later than 2025—and even though some prominent Democrats have been supportive of his approach, it is the Republican Party that will be tarred by the policy failure and the sacrifice of key principles.

So what can Republicans do to reclaim the mantle of the party of free trade? Any effective approach will require public confrontation with President Trump. At one point, there was a theory espoused by some party leaders that the best tactic would be to pursue quiet discussions with the president behind the scenes. These leaders hoped to persuade the president to eschew a protectionist path while they avoided any sort of public dispute. That effort clearly failed."

Are Republicans Still the Party of Free Trade?

"...The U.S. Constitution vests Congress with the authority to regulate commerce, but over the years it has ceded that authority. If the current environment does not invigorate Republican members of Congress to work to take back this responsibility, it is hard to take claims that they value trade as a benefit for Americans seriously. Meanwhile, polls suggest that most Americans support free trade, and Democrats have surpassed Republicans as its most ardent supporters. We have yet to see whether Democrats will take up the mantle of free traders, but in the meantime, the Republicans certainly can no longer claim that title, as they continue to make excuses for the president’s actions. The party of free trade? No. More like the Grand Old Protectionists."

Establishment Republicans Can No Longer Claim to Be Fiscal Conservatives

Did you miss my original post?

Let's hope he destroyed the republican party as we have known them.

This includes faux conservative organizations such as the Cato institute and Reagan Foundation.

 

[MontyPython]

Did you miss my original post?



This includes faux conservative organizations such as the Cato institute and Reagan Foundation.

 

[MontyPython]

Quite true he is clueless. We get the shaft on "free trade".

Right... to the tune of being the richest country on Earth and the sole remaining superpower.

Next?

 

[VolStrom]

Free trade has to be fair for both sides, and Goldwater was the last real Conservative on the head of the ticket. Once again, you are correct.

72, I doubt that 5% of the people yammering their mouths on this thread have a clue who Barry Goldwater is.

 

[hog88]

Right... to the tune of being the richest country on Earth and the sole remaining superpower.

Next?

But are we? You think we could fight another war on the scale of WWII?

 

[n_huffhines]

Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in almost 1/2 a century with the one exception of the years Newt was SOH. So you haven't known the Rs to be fiscally conservative.

Just what is free trade because we don't have that now and haven't for decades. Either we and our trading partners are playing by similar rules or it's not free trade.

So in short you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about.

Obviously, he was saying that he supported Republicans because fiscal conservatism and free trade were big parts of their platform. It's a relative judgment of what they were and what they are, and clearly there is a difference. He didn't say that he was a Republican because we had 100% free trade or even because they were aspiring 100% for free trade. He was saying their position was adequate. He knows what he's talking about. You don't.

You're making dumb semantic arguments to try to say he doesn't know what his position is.

 

[hog88]

Obviously, he was saying that he supported Republicans because fiscal conservatism and free trade were big parts of their platform. It's a relative judgment of what they were and what they are, and clearly there is a difference. He didn't say that he was a Republican because we had 100% free trade or even because they were aspiring 100% for free trade. He was saying their position was adequate. He knows what he's talking about. You don't.

You're making dumb semantic arguments to try to say he doesn't know what his position is.

When you post this is what we get.

 

[n_huffhines]

When you post this is what we get.

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Cool grandpa joke. Your arguments are still bad

 

[hog88]

Cool grandpa joke. Your arguments are still bad

Nope, I am spot on.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

But are we? You think we could fight another war on the scale of WWII?

With the snowflakes we have running around here?

 

[hog88]

With the snowflakes we have running around here?

I wasn't even taking them into consideration. I was just talking about our manufacturing base.

 

[1972 Grad]

72, I doubt that 5% of the people yammering their mouths on this thread have a clue who Barry Goldwater is.

I still have my Goldwater bumper sticker (never used) and a campaign button from back then. My favorite Goldwater quote.................................."Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

 

[Velo Vol]

Every single time the WH or House changes hands, the winning side without fail, claims the other is dead. And every single time they are wrong. The middle 10% always recoil after one side gets too fat and happy at the dinner table. It's the way it will always be.

This isn't a normal "we lost the election, now what?" situation. Usually, the departing president rides off into retirement and mostly keeps quiet while new leadership forms. You think that is going to happen next year?

 

[1972 Grad]

This isn't a normal "we lost the election, now what?" situation. Usually, the departing president rides off into retirement and mostly keeps quiet while new leadership forms. You think that is going to happen next year?

Obama led the resistance after he left office. These aren't normal times.

 

[Orangeburst]

Obama led the resistance after he left office. These aren't normal times.

They all led the resistance. Makes one ponder why, but we really know